Before "AI automation" was a buzzword, Joey Vitale built Indie Law to operate without him. That experience—paired with years helping lawyers scale through virtual assistants—turned him into a quiet expert on systems, delegation, and identity. In this episode, he and host Mike Whelan dig into what happens when the work that once defined you starts running itself, and why the real value of a lawyer might have less to do with tasks and more to do with trust.

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𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:

0:00 - Introduction

2:15 - Why Joey left litigation

5:34 - The crisis that forced systematization

8:27 - Four stages: doer to strategist

14:44 - Managing VAs prepares you for AI

19:42 - Prompting AI effectively

24:15 - 80% right is 100% awesome

32:51 - Redefining lawyer identity

36:20 - Why clients still need attorneys

How to Build a Law Firm That Runs Without You with Joey Vitale