Scaling Laws A New AI Regulatory Regime? SB 813 with Lauren Wagner and Andrew Freedman
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Jul 30, 2025 
Andrew Freedman, Chief Strategy Officer at Fathom, and Lauren Wagner from the Abundance Institute join the discussion on AI regulation. They delve into the urgent need for effective governance frameworks like California's Senate Bill 813. Topics include innovative approaches to AI safety, the significance of independent verification organizations, and the crucial role of public-private partnerships. The conversation also highlights challenges in regulatory implementation and the importance of collaboration to ensure accountability in AI technologies.
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AI Governance Complexity
- AI governance is one of the hardest regulatory challenges humanity faces.
- A new approach combines private regulatory markets with public accountability for better outcomes.
Concerns Over Patchwork Laws
- A patchwork of state AI laws could overwhelm startups with compliance complexity.
- Many laws may not effectively enhance safety but add operational burdens.
Voluntary Certification Benefits
- Voluntary certification by independent verifiers introduces market-driven safety incentives.
- States can recognize these verifiers to reduce regulatory fragmentation for AI developers.