2.63 Andy Naselli, David Schrock, Stephen Wellum • Interview • "Twelve Reflections on Twelve Interviews on Christian Nationalism"
Dec 4, 2023
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Andy Naselli, David Schrock, and Stephen Wellum discuss 12 reflections on interviews about Christian nationalism, exploring different views on church and state, constructing a political theology, the church's mission, views on Christian nationalism, unity among Christians, living in a Christ-centered culture, interpretation of the Ten Commandments, defining good and bad in Romans 13, limitations of social media, and the call to live out the Christian life.
Christian foundations have played a crucial role in shaping the liberties and culture enjoyed by Christians.
The concept of Christian nationalism is subject to varying definitions and explanations among the interviewees.
There is disagreement on interpreting Romans 13, with some emphasizing a civic understanding and others prioritizing God's definition of good and bad.
Deep dives
The Importance of Recognizing the Root of Christian Liberties
The interviewees emphasize that the liberties and cultural aspects enjoyed by Christians are not a result of a secular vacuum, but rather have a root in Christian foundations.
Different Perspectives on Christian Nationalism
The interviewees discuss their varying views on the concept of Christian nationalism, with some finding the label unhelpful and others providing nuanced definitions and explanations.
Defining Good and Bad in Romans 13
There is a disagreement among the interviewees regarding the interpretation of what constitutes good and bad in the context of Romans 13. Some argue for a civic understanding while others emphasize God's definition of good and bad.
The influence of Christianity in shaping nations is beneficial and should not be taken for granted
The interviewees discuss how the influence of Christianity, particularly in the West, has played a positive role in shaping societies. They highlight the impact of Christian culture in promoting peace, religious liberty, the protection of human rights, and the establishment of beneficial institutions like hospitals. They emphasize that the effects of Christianity should not be overlooked or dismissed, as it has brought about significant benefits to society.
The use of the Ten Commandments in political theology is a subject of disagreement
The interviewees express divergent views on how to incorporate the Ten Commandments into political theology. Some argue that the commandments should be closely tied to political beliefs and policies, emphasizing the need to enforce both the first and second tables of the commandments. Others contend that while the commandments reflect important moral principles, they should not be strictly applied in a legal sense, and their relevance should be viewed in light of broader biblical and theological contexts. The debate revolves around the interpretation and application of the Decalogue in contemporary political settings.
Andy Naselli recently provided an analysis of the numerous interviews Christ Over All conducted last month. Here, he is joined by David Schrock and Stephen Wellum to discuss those reflections.
Timestamps
Introduction - 00:28
Range of Approaches to Church and State - 3:54
Articulating a Methodology of Constructing a Political Theology - 05:21
Reflection 1 - 08:24
The Church’s Mission & Doug Wilson – 10:08
Reflection 2 - 11:44
What About Those who Might Be Inbetween Views 4 & 5? - 14:05
How Are Views Altered By Current Events? - 18:48
Reflection 3 - 22:23
Reflection 4 - 23:43
Reflection 5 – 25:00
Using ‘Christian’ as an Adjective – 29:57
Reflection 6 - 34:57
Reflection 7 - 36:03
Starting with Creation Order Rather than the Decalogue for Moral Law - 39:00
Dividing Up the Law and How It Should Be Used Today in Political Theology - 41:14