There is something about a good spy story that seems to really resonate with people in the cybersecurity world. We love watching the moves and the counter moves, and the sneaking around, and the social engineering, and hacking, and all of the gadgets and toys, and car chases, and fights and double crosses and triple crosses. Yeah, you get the point. 

But how much of that is real and how much can be chalked up to an author's creative license? And what's life and work like for real people in the intelligence industry?

This episode features two guests: ex-CIA agent Peter Warmka and Andrew Hammond, historian and curator at the International Spy Museum.

Guests:

• Peter Warmka (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
• Andrew Hammond (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

Books and References:

• Confessions of a CIA Spy: The Art of Human Hacking, by Peter Warmka
• The CIA Guy & CIA Spy Podcast, Peter Warmka and Robert Siciliano
• Peter Warmka Videos
• International Spy Museum website
• SpyCast Podcast, hosted by Andrew Hammond
• INTEL.gov
• The Evolution of Espionage in America, INTEL.org

Perry's Books

• Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
• The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

• LinkedIn
• Twitter
• Instagram
• Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

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