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Ralph Thurm (LinkedIn), Managing director of r3.0 joined me on the podcast. We spoke of the work r3.0 is doing and regenerative transformation. We spoke of the evolution of the field of sustainability, what it means to regeneratively redesign, as well as the flaws (and as what r3.0 has done to amend them) of the current discourse of sustainability. We also spoke of the topics of post-collapse readiness, the connection between micro and macro, bioregionalism, membranes, boundaries and measurement. This is a rich conversation for beginning to understand what a regenerative economy could contain.