The Surprising Rebirth Of Belief In God 9. Surprising Conversations: Jonathan Pageau
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May 6, 2025 
Orthodox thinker and icon carver Jonathan Pageau joins the conversation to illuminate the recent surge in discussions about God. He delves into the complex relationship between atheism and theism, citing figures like Richard Dawkins and Jordan Peterson as pivotal in this debate. Pageau emphasizes the importance of symbolism in shaping our understanding of reality and the resurrection of Christ. He also explores the role of art in expressing spiritual truths and critiques modern individualism while advocating for deeper community connections.
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Jonathan Pageau Meets Jordan Peterson
- Jonathan Pageau met Jordan Peterson in 2015 and immediately saw him as a bridge to secular culture.
- He told Peterson he would "bring back Christianity," and Peterson hoped to share the psychological significance of the Bible story.
Symbolism Shapes Our Reality
- We live in a symbolic world full of patterns that shape our experience and meaning.
- Scientific descriptions are useful abstractions but secondary to our lived experience of reality.
Patterns Define Identities and Meaning
- Perception organizes infinite details into unified patterns defining identities like a person.
- Identities and names exist prior to analysis and reveal purpose embedded in reality.
