Living with depression often means battling thoughts that feel convincing—but aren't true. You might believe you're broken, that nothing will ever get better, or that you're the only one struggling this much. These thoughts don’t reflect reality—they reflect depression’s distorted logic.

In this episode, psychotherapist Barry Winbolt joins us to unpack how depression alters thinking patterns and reinforces hopelessness. He explains how attributional styles, “depression logic,” and internalized shame shape the belief that nothing can change. But change is possible—with awareness, compassion, and the right tools.

Whether you're personally living with depression or supporting someone who is, this conversation offers language, strategies, and hope. Learn how to question what depression tells you, how to shift negative thought loops, and how to gently reframe your internal story—even if you’ve been stuck in it for years.

Primary Topics Covered:

Why depression convinces you that you don’t have it—or that it will never end
The concept of “depression logic” and why it’s so persuasive
How attributional (explanatory) style shapes your belief in depression’s permanence
Understanding the “3 P’s” of depressive thinking: personal, pervasive, and permanent
Why people resist getting help—and why that logic feels convincing
Three evidence-based ways to push back against depressive thoughts
How to coexist with depression rather than be controlled by it
Rewriting your story and reframing self-defeating narratives
Practical tools to challenge hopelessness and reclaim momentum
The emotional power of feeling seen, heard, and understood

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro to the episode and depression’s most dangerous lies
01:19 “You don’t have depression. And you always will.” Why those lies work
02:53 Meet Barry Winbolt: therapist, partner, and lived-experience voice
03:58 What makes “depression logic” so persuasive
04:41 Hopeless reasoning: “Why try, I’ll just get depressed again”
06:25 The three P’s of depressive thinking: personal, pervasive, permanent
08:11 How depressive thinking shapes your identity and future outlook
09:50 Why labels can be helpful—or deeply harmful
11:19 The metaphor of depression as a virus: why it wants to perpetuate itself
12:03 First strategy: Challenge the thought. Ask, “Where’s the evidence?”
12:49 Second strategy: Acknowledge the thought—and act anyway
13:39 Third strategy: Learn to coexist with depression without letting it lead
14:39 Grief, loss, and compartmentalizing pain
15:33 The missing ingredient in healing: personalized conversation
16:23 Changing the narrative to create new meaning
17:21 Reflections from the co-hosts on the episode’s emotional impact
18:29 Real-life applications: using Barry’s metaphors in daily struggles
19:17 Therapist takeaway: sometimes you have to live with depression, not fight it
20:59 Absolutist thinking and the language of depression
21:50 Changing your internal story makes healing possible
22:37 Closing thoughts and reminders for continued support

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