The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Archive: TikTok, WeChat and Trump

Apr 28, 2024

Bobby Chesney and Jordan Schneider discuss Trump's ban on TikTok and WeChat in the US, including security concerns, national security implications, and the complexities of the Walmart Oracle deal to save TikTok amidst legal battles. They navigate data control complexities, Chinese government influence, and the challenges of addressing data security and censorship issues in the global geopolitical context.

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Bobby Chesney

Jordan Schneider

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Quick takeaways

President Biden signed bill to potentially ban TikTok in US within 12 months unless ByteDance divests.

Concerns raised about Chinese influence on TikTok, data privacy, and national security risks.

Deep dives

President Biden Signs Bill to Potentially Ban TikTok in the US

President Biden recently signed a bill passed by Congress that could lead to banning TikTok in the US within 12 months unless its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, divests from the platform. This move follows former President Trump's threat to exclude TikTok and WeChat from the US market, resulting in lawsuits, discussions on the realities of the threat, and a deal to purchase TikTok.

Introduction

2min

US Tech Tensions: TikTok & WeChat

16min

Analysis of Security Concerns and Censorship on TikTok and WeChat

5min

Navigating National Security Concerns with TikTok

8min

Complexities of the Walmart Oracle Deal and TikTok Ownership

11min

Conclusion of Discussion with Call-to-Action and Ad-Free Listening Offer

2min

From September 28, 2020: It's been a wild few weeks with President Trump threatening to shut WeChat and TikTok out of the U.S. market and rip them out of the app stores. There have been lawsuits, a preliminary injunction—and a sudden deal to purchase TikTok and moot the issue out. To chew it all over, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Lawfare co-founder Bobby Chesney, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin Law School, and Jordan Schneider, the voice behind the podcast ChinaTalk. They talked about how we got here, whether the threat from these companies is real or whether this is more Trump nonsense, and whether the deal to save TikTok will actually work.

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