Bobby Chesney and Jordan Schneider discuss Trump's ban on TikTok and WeChat in the US, including security concerns, national security implications, and the complexities of the Walmart Oracle deal to save TikTok amidst legal battles. They navigate data control complexities, Chinese government influence, and the challenges of addressing data security and censorship issues in the global geopolitical context.
President Biden signed bill to potentially ban TikTok in US within 12 months unless ByteDance divests.
Concerns raised about Chinese influence on TikTok, data privacy, and national security risks.
Deep dives
President Biden Signs Bill to Potentially Ban TikTok in the US
President Biden recently signed a bill passed by Congress that could lead to banning TikTok in the US within 12 months unless its Chinese-owned parent company, ByteDance, divests from the platform. This move follows former President Trump's threat to exclude TikTok and WeChat from the US market, resulting in lawsuits, discussions on the realities of the threat, and a deal to purchase TikTok.
Background on Huawei and TikTok's Situation in the US
The background involves China's exclusion of US social media companies like Facebook from its market while Chinese companies like Huawei operated relatively freely in the US. Concerns about intelligence gathering and censorship led to scrutiny, culminating in discussions on sanctions with the Trump administration targeting TikTok amid complex acquisition and divestment scenarios.
Challenges with TikTok Deal with Oracle and Walmart
The deal aimed to address data control concerns by having Oracle handle data to prevent Chinese government access. However, uncertainties remain regarding the algorithm's ownership and potential censorship and disinformation risks. The deal's efficacy in resolving security issues, including broader political influences and data privacy, is currently uncertain.
Congressional Concerns and Legal Challenges with TikTok and WeChat
There are concerns among legislators and stakeholders about the Chinese influence on TikTok and WeChat, emphasizing data privacy and national security risks. Legal challenges and policy debates center around controlling US person data, censorship practices, and the implications of the Oracle-Walmart deal. Uncertainty surrounds the deal's ability to address the core security and user data protection issues effectively.
From September 28, 2020: It's been a wild few weeks with President Trump threatening to shut WeChat and TikTok out of the U.S. market and rip them out of the app stores. There have been lawsuits, a preliminary injunction—and a sudden deal to purchase TikTok and moot the issue out. To chew it all over, Benjamin Wittes spoke with Lawfare co-founder Bobby Chesney, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin Law School, and Jordan Schneider, the voice behind the podcast ChinaTalk. They talked about how we got here, whether the threat from these companies is real or whether this is more Trump nonsense, and whether the deal to save TikTok will actually work.