Klaus Schenck is a coach and organisational consultant that has dived deep into the world of agile. This conversation uses Agile as a point of departure to go into our current perdicament in the world. We touch upon Scrum, Kanban, DevOps, standardisation, measurement as well as the basic pilars of flow of value and respect for people and what they mean. We talk quite about the relationship between parts and the whole and optimisation. Theory of constraints, complexity navigation, trial and error, solutions focus etc. are other frameworks and ideas we touch upon. It is an incredibly rich conversation with a wonderfully empathic, knowledgable and curious person. If you want to reach out to Klaus visit his webpage or look at some of his articles. Enjoy! Host: Amit Paul