Ali McGregor and Reuben Kaye are two of Australia’s most talented, versatile and unique performing artists. Between them they’ve traversed the world and the worlds of opera, jazz, television, cabaret, comedy, musical theatre, drag…. and pottery. But their stories and journeys are far from simple or linear and they’ve endured various hardships and adversities in ways that have asked them to embody resilience, courage and leadership

In this episode we discuss:

-Rueben’s harrowing ‘death of a thousand cuts’ experience of being beaten and marginalised because of his sexuality.

-The value of not having one clear goal, when it closes us to potential peripheral opportunities.

-How Ali was able to use this theory to feel less attached to the Opera world, and shift into Cabaret when the Opera door closed on her.

-Cancelled shows and death threats after Rueben’s controversial appearance on Channel 10’s ‘The Project’.

-The importance of having clear purpose in life.

-Reuben being bullied by his director and fired on his first Musical Theatre job, Evita.

-Good reviews, bad reviews, apathetic ones, and the challenge of separating the human doing from human being in the art form of Cabaret.

-How to be outrageous, play with an audience and still ensure people love you.

-The value of cracks in life and why live is everything for them in performance.

-The importance of continuing to walk on our journey when things don’t go our way.

-What freedom means to them, and the freedoms they choose to fight for.

-Love, connection and pride for the LGBTQIA+ community.

-The intersection between patriarchy, misogyny and transphobia.

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