In this episode of Mostly Growth, Kyle Poyar and CJ Gustafson sit down with Jen Allen-Knuth to break down why “status quo” is the most dangerous competitor in B2B sales. They unpack the psychology of change, why buyers care more about confidence than features, and how sales principles show up in leadership, forecasting, and finance. The conversation covers qualifying real pipeline, running better discovery, smarter outbound, and how execs—from CROs to CFOs—can sell change inside their own companies.
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SPONSORS:
RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform built for modern pricing models like usage-based pricing, bundles, and mid-cycle upgrades. RightRev lets companies scale monetization without slowing down close or compliance. For RevRec that keeps growth moving, visit https://www.rightrev.com
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HockeyStack is an AI platform for modern go-to-market teams that unifies sales, marketing, and customer data into a single system of action. With AI agents that prospect accounts, support reps, improve forecasting, and automate what’s already working, HockeyStack helps teams move faster without guessing. Trusted by companies like RingCentral, Outreach, ActiveCampaign, and Fortune 100 teams—learn more at https://www.hockeystack.com
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LINKS:
DemandJen: https://demandjen.com/
Jen on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/demandjen1/
Mostly Metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com
CJ on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
Growth Unhinged: https://www.growthunhinged.com/
Kyle on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/
Slacker Stuff: https://www.slackerstuff.com/
Ben on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/slackerstuff/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9OCYOD-e9s
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 Meeting Jen Allen-Knuth
00:01:12 Walkup Music, Conferences, and Setting the Vibe
00:03:34 Mostly Growth Show Intro
00:03:57 Meta Sales Lessons
00:06:20 Why Every Executive Needs Sales Skills
00:08:35 Sales Psychology, Loss Aversion, and the Cost of Inaction
00:11:09 Sponsors — RightRev | Tropic | HockeyStack
00:14:50 Why Great Sales Reps Assume Deals Will Fail
00:16:58 The Art of the Anti-Sell
00:19:03 Giving Buyers an Explicit Out on Price
00:21:00 The Three Strongest Signals a Deal Will Close
00:23:10 Asking How Buyers Reached Their Conclusion
00:25:34 Status Quo as the Biggest Competitor
00:27:24 How Much Pipeline You Actually Need to Hit Target
00:28:30 Shifting to What Actually Works in Outbound Messaging
00:31:52 Leading with Insight Instead of Pitching the Product
00:32:42 Why Every AE Needs to Generate Their Own Outbound
00:33:22 Business Blunders and the Problem with Breakup Emails
00:35:07 The Providence Place Mall Squatter Blunder
00:35:42 Reacting to the Providence Mall Squatter Story
00:36:40 Outbound Messaging as a Business Blunder
00:38:05 Solopreneur S-Corp and Payroll Pain
00:40:13 Using ChatGPT for Admin and Operations
00:42:33 Credits
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