In this thought-provoking conversation, Jonathan Pageau, a French-Canadian icon carver and symbolic thinker, dives deep into the Genesis story of Adam and Eve. He explores the serpent's complex role, challenging traditional views on good and evil. The discussion spans themes of temptation, choice, and the consequences of the fall, illuminating the intricate dynamics of biblical narratives. Pageau also touches on Gnostic theology's implications, advocating for spiritual equality. This rich dialogue invites listeners to reflect on morality, chaos, and the quest for redemption.