For our last episode of 2024, we’re sharing a handful of stories about what love actually looks like, with all its flaws and complexities. The late poet Nikki Giovanni kicks things off by discussing the complicated love she had for her parents. We also hear from actor Mahershala Ali and comedian Chris Gethard and their romantic partners, and Jane Fonda discusses heartbreak and her choice to end a marriage. 

Here’s a full list of guests featured in this episode and links to the original DSM episodes that they appeared in: 

• Nikki Giovanni 
• Chris Gethard and Hallie Bulleit 
• Mahershala Ali and Amatus-Sami Karim 
• Laurie and Krista   
• Nikki and Darrell 
• Jane Fonda

Podcast production by Andrew Dunn and Cameron Drews.

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