S2 Ep1133: Politics, the Bible, Christian Nationalism, and Hauerwas vs. O'Donovan: Kaitlyn Schiess
Nov 30, 2023
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Guest Kaitlyn Schiess, a writer and doctoral student at Duke Divinity School, discusses politics, economic policy, her book The Ballot and the Bible, Christian Nationalism, and her journey from Hauerwasian to an O'Donovan-ish political theology.
Contextual interpretation is crucial when examining scripture's role in American politics.
Christian nationalism should be understood with nuance and attention to its historical interpretations.
Engaging in local politics can have a greater impact on positive change than solely focusing on national politics.
Deep dives
Reflecting on Political Theology and Christian Identity
The podcast episode explores the intersection of theology and politics with guest Caitlin Chess. They discuss her recent book, 'The Ballot and the Bible,' which examines how scripture has been used and abused in American politics. They delve into the historical examples of interpreting Romans 13 during the Revolutionary War and the social implications of the social gospel movement. Caitlin emphasizes the importance of contextual interpretation and recognizes the need to challenge our own biases when approaching scripture.
Christian Nationalism and its Complexities
The conversation also delves into the topic of Christian nationalism. While acknowledging the harmful aspects of this ideology, Caitlin cautions against broad generalizations. She highlights the diverse historical interpretations of 'Christianizing the nation,' including those found in the civil rights movement and the social gospel movement. Caitlin suggests that the focus should be on the dangers of overconfidence and the paternalistic tendencies within Christian nationalism, rather than simply condemning the incorporation of Christian principles in politics.
The Pitfalls of Christian Nationalism and the Social Gospel
By examining historical examples, Caitlin challenges the notions surrounding Christian nationalism. She points out that the problems lie in the assumption of being the saviors and the failure to address systemic racism and sexism. The social gospel movement teaches important lessons about the social implications of the gospel and the need for humility and self-reflection when engaging in political and social work. Caitlin encourages listeners to approach the topic with nuance and a commitment to understanding the complexities of Christian nationalism.
Concerns about Christian nationalism and its impact on local communities
The podcast episode explores concerns about Christian nationalism and its impact on local communities. It discusses how rhetoric and media consumed by some individuals can lead to fear, anxiety, and a divisive us versus them mentality within these communities. The episode highlights the importance of addressing the underlying fears and anxieties of individuals, rather than solely responding with intellectual arguments against Christian nationalism. It also emphasizes the need for pastoral care and attention to the social impact of such rhetoric on local relationships and political work.
The importance of distinguishing between national and local politics
Another key point discussed in the podcast is the importance of distinguishing between national and local politics. It emphasizes that while national politics may receive more attention and involve more polarizing issues, the real political work and potential for positive change often occur at the local level. The episode urges individuals to focus on engaging with and contributing to their local communities, building relationships, and addressing immediate concerns. It encourages a shift in attention away from the sensationalized aspects of national elections towards the more impactful sphere of local politics.
Kaitlyn is a writer, author, and a doctoral student at Duke Divinity School studying political theology, ethics, and biblical interpretation. She graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary in 2021 with a ThM in systematic theology and is the author of two books: The Liturgy of Politics: Spiritual Formation for the Sake of Our Neighbor and The Ballot and the Bible: How Scripture Has Been Used and Abused in American Politics and Where We Go from Here.
This podcast conversation goes all over the map, but we discuss things related to politics in general, economic policy, her book The Ballot and the Bible, Christian Nationalism, her journey away from a full on Hauerwasian political theology toward a more...O'Donovan-ish approach, and many other things.