George Monbiot, distinguished writer and activist, discusses political and economic corruption, the link between colonialism and welfare states, social tipping points, and movement-building. They explore the crisis of democracy, repression faced by activists, the need for growth in the environmental movement, and the power of sharing resources. They challenge the misconception of human nature and propose a conversation on the future of food.
Economic power translates into political power, undermining true democracy and prioritizing the interests of special interest groups over the majority.
Achieving social tipping points with at least 25% active support is crucial for driving societal change and creating a system where people have control and decision-making power.
Environmental activists face increasing repression, with repressive laws and tactics used to hinder their advocacy and protect corporate interests.
Deep dives
The Illusion of Democracy and the Power of Special Interests
The podcast discusses how economic power has translated into political power, with those who possess money maintaining control over decision-making. The illusion of democracy, where the people's voices are represented, is debunked, revealing that governments often prioritize the interests of special interest groups and corporations over the needs of the majority. The role of money in politics, the influence of think tanks funded by dark money, and the suppression of dissent are explored, highlighting the lack of true representation and democracy in many Western nations.
The Urgent Need for Social Tipping Points
The podcast emphasizes the importance of achieving social tipping points, where at least 25% of the population actively supports and drives change for a new idea or perspective. It examines historical examples, such as the movements for marriage equality and the collapse of the Soviet Union, to illustrate how seemingly impossible changes became inevitable through the collective action of a significant portion of the population. The episode emphasizes the potential for a positive and inspiring vision of an ecological civilization and the importance of creating a system in which people themselves have control and decision-making power.
The Repression of Environmental Activism
The podcast highlights the increasing repression faced by environmental activists and the erosion of their rights to speak, protest, and advocate for change. It discusses the introduction of repressive laws in various countries that aim to hinder environmental activism and protect the interests of corporations and fossil fuel industries. Examples include the criminalization of peaceful protests, the use of anti-terror laws against environmental activists, and the silencing of activists in legal proceedings. The episode emphasizes the need to challenge these repressive measures and protect the fundamental rights of activists.
The Complex Nature of the Earth Crisis
The podcast emphasizes that the current crisis is not solely a climate crisis but encompasses a broader ecological crisis, including issues related to oceans, forests, soils, and synthetic chemicals. It highlights the need for a comprehensive and systemic change in how society is organized, not just a shift in fuel sources. The episode examines the limitations of capitalism and the unsustainable nature of perpetual economic growth. It proposes the idea of private sufficiency and public luxury as a vision for a more equitable and sustainable future.
The Potential for Change and the Role of Altruism
The podcast challenges the negative narrative that humans are inherently selfish and greedy and highlights the innate altruistic and compassionate nature of most people. It discusses the role of media in perpetuating this negative perception. The episode emphasizes the potential for change and the importance of expanding social circles of consent for new ideas and perspectives. Drawing on historical examples of social change, it asserts that what currently seems impossible can become inevitable with enough collective action and support.
We need to stop pretending we live in a democracy.
The essence of a democratic state is rule by the people, for the people. This has only ever been an illusion to mask oligarchic power. Upheld by the media, this illusion serves to sequester resources, power and divide a population who should be united in the face of their exploitation.
We are a society of altruists governed by psychopaths. This is the message of George Monbiot, distinguished writer and activist, on today’s episode. George’s Guardian columns are read all over the world, lauded for their big picture scope on issues of climate, justice and politics. A fervent anti-capitalist and environmental campaigner, George joins me to discuss political, economic and legal corruption, the link between colonialism and strong welfare states, social tipping points, and movement-building. This is a wide-ranging and thorough discussion covering violence, sabotage, language and system dynamics: You cannot control a complex system from the centre—we are fighting against those who want to do just that at the expense of everything else.
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The episode also features the deeply moving song We Tried by climate activist Louise Harris. This is the anthem we’ve been waiting for, a rallying cry in the dark to take action before all is lost. Let’s get it to Christmas Number 1 in the UK charts to pierce the mainstream. Get the song here and support Louise’s climate album fund.