There wasn't a second leg to the Copa Libertadores final between Boca Grande and River Plate. Neither of the Mikes is an expert on South American football so we called in a ringer, Brenda Elsey (@policultura), a professor of history at Hofstra and specialist on South American sport and politics, as well as one of the hosts of the Burn It All Down podcast. Brenda helped walk us through how the final came to be called off, the problems of violence in men's soccer, the forces seeking to corporatize and privatize the South American game, and the grassroots soccer movement in Argentina, in both men's and women's soccer, that tends to get lost in most discussions of these problems. We had just a ton of fun recording this, hope you like it too.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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