James Ellis on Nick Land and In the Mouth of Madness
Dec 2, 2022
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Thomas talks with James Ellis about their experiences being immersed in Nick Land's philosophy, returning to Christianity, and the limits of the human in accelerationism and Christian worldviews. They discuss the dangers of modern nihilism, the phrase 'Be not afraid,' politics and the war in heaven, and analyze John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness.
Land's nihilistic approach to philosophy can be seductive and alluring, promoting the pursuit of absolute freedom through embracing nihilism and pushing boundaries to their limits.
Fully embracing Land's philosophy can lead to a dangerous path of self-dissolution, possession, detachment from objective values, and manipulation by dark forces.
Traditional Christianity advocates for humility, grace, and aligning oneself with God's will as opposed to Land's philosophy, emphasizing the importance of recognizing the dangers of nihilism and the need for a foundation in theological and philosophical truth.
The film 'In the Mouth of Madness' explores the breakdown of fiction and reality, the seductive nature of embracing darkness and madness, and the power of storytelling to shape beliefs and influence society.
Deep dives
The philosophical journey and fascination with Nick Land
The podcast delves into the guest's philosophical journey, which began with an interest in the big questions of life. They started exploring various thinkers and theories, including continental philosophy, but never settled on one ideology. Eventually, they discovered Nick Land's philosophy, which marked a turning point. Land's nihilistic approach, focused on accelerationism and the relativization of theory, was both seductive and alluring. It pushed them to embrace a nihilistic worldview and sparked an excitement in the pursuit of absolute freedom in a paradoxical way.
The seductiveness of Land's philosophy
Land's philosophy was described as seductive due to its emphasis on breaking down human limitations and embracing a bleak and desolate worldview. This seduction derived from the belief that by embracing nihilism and pushing philosophical boundaries to their limits, one could reach an accelerated state of enlightenment. The guest refers to Land's work as a possession, where they became immersed in the concepts and ideas he presented. They remarked that this possession led them to see the end of philosophy and the allure of turning away from traditional values and embracing a form of nihilism that leads to annihilation.
The dangerous trajectory of embracing Land's philosophy
The podcast discusses the dangerous path of fully embracing Land's philosophy. It raises concerns about the thin line between embracing nihilism and embracing a path that leads to a total dissolution of the self. The guest and the host explore the idea that Land's philosophy promotes a desire to divinize oneself by destroying the human security system, leading to a sense of possession and detachment from objective values. They also discuss how this path can lead individuals to be easily manipulated and controlled by dark forces, and how it can result in an extreme emphasis on embracing darkness and desolation.
The contrast between Land's philosophy and traditional Christianity
The podcast draws a sharp contrast between Land's philosophy and traditional Christianity. It highlights the differences in understanding the nature of freedom and the pursuit of truth. While Land's philosophy embraces an extreme form of emancipation and the pursuit of absolute autonomy, traditional Christianity advocates for humility, grace, and aligning oneself with God's will. The guest and the host discuss the importance of recognizing the dangers of nihilism and the need for a foundation in theological and philosophical truth to navigate the complexities of modern society.
The Collapse of Fiction and Reality
The podcast episode discusses the film In the Mouth of Madness directed by John Carpenter. The film explores the breakdown of fiction and reality, where the books of author Sutter Kane become real and blur the lines between fantasy and reality. It delves into the idea that fiction can manifest as reality and the fear that arises when the insane become the majority. The movie touches on the seductive nature of embracing the dark side and the power of storytelling to influence beliefs and shape society.
The Temptation of Chaos
The film examines the allure of chaos and madness, drawing parallels to the works of philosopher Nick Land. It highlights the fascination with pushing boundaries and embracing transgressive entertainment. It portrays the dangers of becoming immersed in nihilistic content and questioning the desires driving the consumption of violent and disturbing films. The movie challenges the viewer to reflect on the attraction to madness and the consequences of succumbing to its allure.
The Replacement of Religion
The podcast episode delves into the film's critique of traditional religion and its portrayal of how fiction replaces religious beliefs. It examines the idea that fiction, particularly horror literature, can convey a sense of horror and create more meaningful experiences than religion. The film questions the power of belief and the potential for fiction to shape reality. It explores how popular culture and entertainment can manipulate and influence the masses, replacing religious faith with alternate beliefs driven by artistic creations.
Manipulating Reality and the Insidiousness of Pop Culture
The film highlights the manipulation of reality through fiction and the insidious nature of pop culture. It portrays the collapse of boundaries between reality and fantasy, using horror literature and films as tools to immerse audiences in a distorted version of reality. It critiques the relativism present in society, where the majority can redefine what is considered sane or insane. The movie raises questions about the impact of mass entertainment and the danger of society's fascination with darkness and chaos.
Thomas talks with James Ellis, host of the Hermitix podcast. They discuss their experiences being immersed in the philosophy of Nick Land, how they both eventually returned to Christianity, and the differing conceptions of the limits of the human in the accelerationist and Christian worldviews. James explains the dangers of modern nihilism and relativism, the significance of the phrase "Be not afraid," and why politics is downstream of the war in heaven. They conclude by analyzing John Carpenter's In the Mouth of Madness and its relationship to Land's philosophy.
