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Submarines and Shifting Allegiances

Sep 22, 2021

Mark Landler, the London bureau chief for The New York Times, dives into the recently formed U.S.-British-Australian alliance centered on nuclear-powered submarines. He discusses the strategic significance of countering China's influence in the Asia-Pacific. The conversation reveals the diplomatic fallout with France after Australia canceled a submarine deal, highlighting major geopolitical rifts. Landler also explores the evolving U.S. foreign policy from Obama to Biden, emphasizing the complexities of shifting alliances and the ongoing challenges posed by China.

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Intro

3min

Submarines and Strained Alliances

7min

Geopolitical Shifts and the Rise of China

3min

Evolving U.S. Foreign Policy: From Obama to Biden

14min

U.S. Leadership and Legislative Challenges

3min

The recent U.S.-British deal to provide Australia with nuclear-powered submarines might look relatively inconsequential. But it signifies a close alliance between the three countries to face off against China.

It is also notable for another reason: It has greatly angered the French. Why?

Guest: Mark Landler, the London bureau chief for The New York Times.

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Background reading:

President Biden’s announcement of a deal to help Australia deploy nuclear-powered submarines has strained the Western alliance.
The U.S. pact with Australia and Britain has put Europe closer to a question it has tried to avoid: Which side are you on?

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