Ian, Andy & Carl reflect on a terrible day for United as they are comprehensively beaten by City.
Why can't Erik ten Hag get his players to the way he wants and how do they move forward ahead a collection of must win games?
There is also a look at the tactical decisions made by Ten Hag in both his starting line-up and the changes made at half time.
And how much is the on going off pitch 'takeover' saga effecting events on the pitch?
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Talk of the Devils: The Athletic FC's Manchester United show