The Lawfare Podcast

‘Find Me the Votes’ with Dan Klaidman and Michael Isikoff

Jan 31, 2024

Investigative reporters Dan Klaidman and Michael Isikoff discuss their book on the criminal case against Trump and his allies for election tampering in Georgia. They delve into the Jan. 6 committee's role, Sidney Powell's request for preemptive pardons, Rudy Giuliani's plan to access voting systems, and recent allegations against District Attorney Fani Willis.

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Dan Klaidman

Michael Isikoff

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Quick takeaways

The Fulton County case in Georgia reveals the extent of Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results, involving a wide range of individuals and a racketeering conspiracy.

The podcast highlights the appalling abuse and threats faced by officials and their families in Georgia, emphasizing the importance of safeguarding democracy and the resilience of those who stood up to Trump's pressure.

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Fulton County case: Ground zero for anti-democratic plot

The podcast episode focuses on the Fulton County case in Georgia, which is described as ground zero for arguably the most anti-democratic plot in history. It highlights the intensity and pressure of Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in Georgia, with a wide range of individuals involved in a racketeering conspiracy. The case connects various elements, from the pressure campaign on officials, such as Brad Raffensperger, to Sidney Powell's plans for criminal break-ins at election offices, including the alleged unauthorized access of voting systems in coffee county. The Georgia case illuminates the scope of Trump's attempt to manipulate the election.

Introduction

3min

Threats and Difficulties in Protecting Democracy

25min

Raffensberger's Response and Lawyers' Standoff

2min

Discussion of Mobile Plan, Jawline Filler, and Personal Finance App

4min

Coffee County Caper

20min

The Profound Impact and Potential Consequences of Trump's Actions in Georgia

5min

During a late night press conference in August, an Atlanta-area prosecutor announced a sprawling criminal case against Donald Trump and his allies for their alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia. In a new book, investigative reporters Dan Klaidman and Michael Isikoff tell the story of the events that led to that moment—and the local prosecutor behind at all.

Lawfare Editor-in-Chief Benjamin Wittes and Lawfare Legal Fellow Anna Bower spoke with Klaidman and Isikoff about the new details and insights revealed in their book, “Find Me the Votes: A Hard-Charging Georgia Prosecutor, a Rogue President, and the Plot to Steal an American Election.” In a wide-ranging conversation, they discussed the Jan. 6 committee's role in the Fulton County investigation, Sidney Powell's request for preemptive pardons in the aftermath of the 2020 election, Rudy Giuliani's plan to access to voting systems in Georgia, and recent allegations that District Attorney Fani Willis engaged in an improper relationship with one of her special prosecutors.

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