Doree and Elise reflect on the five-year anniversary of Covid lockdown. Then, they invite Ash Perez (former BuzzFeed video star and current 2nd Try cast member) on to talk about his relationship to his father and masculinity, what his journey has taught him about the performance of gender, how he decides what information to share publicly and what to keep private, and what he’s doing to make sense of the news right now. 

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