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Do Never Trumpers Matter? We Asked Adam Kinzinger

Oct 2, 2023
Adam Kinzinger, a former Republican congressman and author of "Renegade," discusses his unique position as a voice against Trumpism within the GOP. He reflects on the high cost of his impeachment vote and shares insights from the "Trump Resistance" text chain. Kinzinger elaborates on the reluctance of many Republicans to oppose Trump despite recognizing him as a threat to democracy. The conversation also touches on the psychological challenges faced by anti-Trump Republicans and the need for unity among them to safeguard democratic principles.
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ANECDOTE

Kinzinger's "Retirement"

  • Adam Kinzinger jokingly compares his retirement from Congress to Rupert Murdoch's, highlighting his continued political engagement.
  • He discusses the title of his book, "Renegade," and its meaning.
INSIGHT

Defining "Renegade"

  • Kinzinger views a "renegade" as someone who breaks free from partisan constraints, similar to John McCain's "maverick" label.
  • He emphasizes resisting the pressure to conform within a political party.
ANECDOTE

Early Career and Polarization

  • Kinzinger reflects on his early career as a mainstream Republican, initially working within the party system.
  • He describes the increasing polarization and his growing unease with the direction of the GOP.
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