Thierry Malleret, an economist and co-author of "The Great Reset," discusses the World Economic Forum's role and the implications of stakeholder capitalism. He critiques the declining influence of Western nations and the rise of nationalism, while exploring the complexities of Environmental, Social, and Governance standards. Malleret examines the relationship between governments and big tech amidst the pandemic, addresses conspiracy theories surrounding Davos, and highlights the challenges of global collaboration in tackling innovation and population concerns.
The podcast highlights the shift towards a multipolar world, indicating a decline in Western dominance and emerging influence from countries like India and Brazil.
Stakeholder capitalism is discussed as a necessary evolution from shareholder capitalism, though its practical implementation faces challenges due to vague ESG metrics.
Collaboration between governments and businesses is emphasized as essential for addressing global issues, showcasing the need for a balanced partnership in tackling challenges like climate change.
Deep dives
The Decline of Western Dominance
A significant shift is occurring as the dominance of Western powers diminishes on the global stage. The podcast emphasizes that the concept of the West is progressively fading, indicating a transition towards a more multipolar world where influence is shared among emerging nations, such as India, Brazil, and South Africa. This change reflects a critical evolution in international relations, moving from a Western-centric view to one that acknowledges multiple centers of power and influence. This trend suggests that the traditional frameworks of global governance are being challenged and may no longer apply in the same way as before.
Stakeholder Capitalism vs. Shareholder Capitalism
Stakeholder capitalism is presented as a response to the traditional shareholder capitalism model, advocating for businesses to serve a broader set of interests beyond just profits. The conversation highlights how stakeholder capitalism gained traction during the COVID-19 pandemic and is primarily based on the notion that companies should consider their environmental, social, and governance (ESG) impact. However, the difficulties in defining and measuring ESG criteria have led to criticisms and skepticism about the effectiveness of stakeholder capitalism in practice. Many argue that without clear metrics, companies may resort to 'greenwashing' or superficial commitments to social responsibility, rather than substantive changes.
Challenges of ESG Metrics
The podcast discusses the complexities involved in establishing effective ESG metrics for companies, emphasizing that a universally recognized standard is still lacking. These metrics are essential for companies to demonstrate their commitment to responsible practices, yet the absence of a consistent framework has led to significant challenges in implementation. The critique centers on the question of whether ESG is merely a marketing tool rather than a genuine effort to foster corporate responsibility. In the current landscape, the uneven adoption and evolution of ESG standards indicate that while the concept is promising, its application remains problematic and requires further development.
Collaboration Between Government and Business
The necessity of collaboration between governments and businesses in addressing global challenges is underscored as a central theme in the discussion. While governments hold the power to establish laws and regulations, the podcast suggests that businesses play a crucial role in generating wealth and innovation. The conversation points to the need for balanced cooperation, as problems such as climate change cannot be solved by one sector alone. This highlights the importance of finding a middle ground where both sectors can contribute their strengths to tackle pressing issues in a coordinated effort.
Critique of Global Elite Gatherings
The podcast presents a critical view of gatherings like the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, questioning their effectiveness and the motivations of global elites. There's an acknowledgment that while these events may aim to foster dialogue and address major economic and social issues, they often attract skepticism regarding their intentions and outcomes. The conversation also delves into the portrayal of elites—many of whom travel by private jets to discuss climate change—which has led to perceptions of hypocrisy. This discourse reflects the ongoing debate about the relevance and impact of influential gatherings in shaping the future of global governance.
What's the agenda of the World Economic Forum? And what was The Great Reset? Just asking questions.
Every year, there's a big gathering of global elites in Davos, Switzerland: world leaders, titans of industry, Hollywood celebrities. It all started in 1971, thanks to Klaus Schwab—a German economist and business professor who launched what was then called the European Economic Forum as a place to discuss best business practices and promote a theory he'd developed called "stakeholder capitalism," the tenets of which Schwab laid out in the original "The Davos Manifesto." It insists that a company's CEO must serve not only shareholders but entire "societies" and "assume the role of a trustee of the material universe for future generations."
While critics have for years lampooned Davos for its brigade of private jets dropping billionaires in an idyllic Swiss mountain town to lecture us about climate change, the WEF and Schwab himself attracted unprecedented attention amid the lockdowns of the COVID-19 pandemic following the July 2020 publication of his ominously titled book The Great Reset. Countless articles, podcasts, and videos theorizing on the real meaning of the Great Reset followed, including one produced by the co-host of this podcast. But you might notice there's another name underneath Schwab's. Thierry Malleret was his co-author on The Great Reset, and again on the follow-up The Great Narrative, and he joins us on the show today.
Malleret is an economist who's worked as an adviser for major investment banks and governments. He conceived of—and planned—the program at Davos for several years before parting ways with Klaus Schwab. And he's also an author, most recently of a very interesting book we're going to discuss at length called Deaths at Davos, a dark satire of what's going on within the WEF.