
Bitcoin Takeover Podcast S17 E4: {ideal} BitVM Optimizations (Robin Linus, Liam Eagen, Ying Tong)
Jan 24, 2026
02:03:25
Robin Linus, Liam Eagen, Ying Tong Lai are the co-founders of {ideal}: an initiative which recently created Argo: a garble circuits scheme which enabled 2000x efficiency gains for BitVM. The group aims to use cryptography in order to advance privacy and scalability in Bitcoin.
Time stamps:
00:01:17 Introducing Liam Eagen, Robin Linus & Ying Tang Lai
00:02:17 Origin of Ideal Group & Naming
00:05:03 Funding, Investors & Bootstrapping
00:06:43 Comparison to Other Teams & Technical Progress
00:09:52 Challenges in Auditing & Implementation
00:12:10 Rapid Progress in BitVM & Garbled Circuits
00:14:37 Defining BitVM & Use Cases
00:19:24 BitVM, Soft Forks, and Bitcoin Upgrades
00:23:03 Ideal Solution for Bitcoin Upgrades
00:25:17 Simplicity, Covenants, and Script Upgrades
00:27:06 Favorite Michael Saylor Analogies & Podcast Ads
00:32:47 Bitcoin Maximalism, ETFs, and Institutionalization
00:37:17 Privacy, Censorship Resistance, and Fungibility
00:40:06 Blockchain Analysis & Privacy Risks
00:41:30 Shielded Client-Side Validation & Privacy Protocols
00:45:57 Zcash, Private Pools, and Inflation Bugs
00:51:45 Soft Forks vs. Embedded Consensus for Privacy
01:01:34 Quantum Computing Threats & Post-Quantum Cryptography
01:17:37 Freezing Satoshi’s Coins & UTXO Expiry
01:23:32 Block Space Demand, Ordinals, and Collectibles
01:25:44 Rollups, Block Space, and Bitcoin Culture
01:33:23 Argo: The New Garbling Scheme
01:38:05 Monero, Privacy Coins, and Community Ethos
01:40:25 Future Vision for Bitcoin
01:42:38 STARKs, SNARKs, and Zero-Knowledge Proofs
01:50:08 Conferences, Community, and Outreach
01:58:11 Ideal Project Status, Mainnet, and Naming
02:00:05 Closing Remarks & How to Follow {ideal}
