Maggie Smith (poet and author of books like Keep Moving and You Could Make This Place Beautiful) chronicles the aftermath of a painful divorce she didn’t see coming. How do we raise our kids in the wake of such change? And how do we reconcile who we are and who we are becoming?

In this conversation, Maggie and Kate discuss:

How to support someone going through divorce
The metaphor of nesting dolls as how we contain who we were before (and how our befores and afters might not be as dramatic as we thought)
Speaking honestly with our children about the beauty and tragedy of the world
Why tragedies are not worth the “lessons” that we might learn from them

CW: divorce

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