#1106 Kevin Hong: Magic, Divination, and Dream Interpretation Across Societies

Jun 5, 2025

Kevin Hong, an Assistant Professor of Sociology at The University of Macau, delves into the fascinating worlds of magic, divination, and dream interpretation. He explores how cognitive processes shape magical beliefs across various societies. Their conversation reveals the social functions of magical thinking and the intricate relationship between magic and divination. They discuss the cultural implications of chance and taboos, questioning the role these concepts play in both traditional and modern contexts.

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Magic and Human Cognition

Magic arises naturally from human cognitive mechanisms as a form of intuitive causal reasoning.
People often mistake correlations for causality, leading to magical beliefs like sympathetic magic.

ANECDOTE

Voodoo Dolls and Sympathetic Magic

A voodoo doll embodies principles of similarity and contagion in sympathetic magic.
People harm the doll believing it will cause harm to the linked person.

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Social Roles of Magic

Magic can serve social control by instilling fear of supernatural punishment.
It may also enhance social cohesion and harmony in societies.

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Dr. Kevin Hong is an Assistant Professor of Sociology at The University of Macau. He is broadly interested in human behavior and culture, and currently has three lines of research: magic, divination, and epistemic norms in small-scale societies; reporting biases in the transmission of instrumental practices; and theoretical modeling of the transmission of culture.

In this episode, we first talk about magic, divination and dream interpretation across human societies. We also discuss chance-based explanations. We talk about transmission biases in cultural evolution. Finally, we discuss taboos, and why there are so many of them in traditional societies.

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