Claire Dederer, an essayist and author of "Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma," joins to explore the complex interplay between art and the moral failings of its creators. They tackle challenging questions about whether we can separate the art from the artist, especially with figures like Kanye West and Taylor Swift on the table. The discussion dives into how societal changes, like the Me Too movement, affect our appreciation for art, inviting listeners to grapple with their emotional connections while acknowledging the ethical responsibilities of being a consumer.
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Polanski Paradox
Claire Dederer, while writing a memoir, explored the predatory nature of men through an open letter to Roman Polanski.
Despite researching his crimes, she still enjoyed his films, finding this contradiction intriguing.
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Art-Artist Entanglement
Separating art from the artist is not always possible.
Dederer's discomfort watching Polanski and Woody Allen films, given their biographies, demonstrates this.
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Defining the Monster
A "monster" is any artist whose biography disrupts the audience's experience of their work.
This definition shifts focus from simply labeling artists as "bad" to examining the complex interplay between life and art.
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What do we do when an artist we love does something monstrous? Constance Grady, a culture writer at Vox, talks with Claire Dederer, the author of Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma. They discuss how to reckon with the facts and feelings of consuming art by someone who's done something bad, if it's possible to separate the art from the artist, and what responsibility — if any — comes with being a fan.
Host: Constance Grady, (@constancegrady), culture and gender writer
Guest:Claire Dederer, author of Monsters: A Fan’s Dilemma