The Lawfare Podcast Lawfare Archive: A House Divided
Jul 27, 2025
Former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden, former CIA deputy director John McLaughlin, and Juan Zarate, former Deputy National Security Advisor, join the conversation to dissect the tumultuous relationship between Donald Trump and the intelligence community. They delve into the implications of political rhetoric on morale, the challenges of effective communication during presidential briefings, and the potential undermining of the intelligence community's credibility. The trio emphasizes the necessity of collaboration and truth-telling during these divisive times.
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Damage From Delegitimizing Intelligence
- The attempt to delegitimize intelligence agencies reflects a dangerous approach to disagreement.
- This undermines morale and could eventually threaten the intelligence community's legitimacy.
Intelligence's Evolving Role Under Trump
- The intelligence community moved from hostility to unavoidable importance under President Trump.
- Morale improved as intelligence became crucial for addressing global threats like North Korea and Syria.
Risks of Politicizing Intelligence
- Undermining intelligence credibility harms national security and operational effectiveness.
- Politicizing intelligence damages foreign trust and data-sharing relationships.
