Curtis Yarvin: How Communists Created the Modern Democratic Movement

In this episode, Curtis Yarvin, a prominent political thinker, dives into the hidden connections between the Communist Party USA and the civil rights movement, particularly through the lens of Stanley Levinson's influence on Martin Luther King Jr. Yarvin also examines the intertwining of Marxism with various political figures and movements, including Hillary Clinton and progressive politics. The conversation explores controversial figures like Jim Jones and connects historical political philosophies to modern-day dynamics, providing a historical context for today's political landscape.

Curtis Yarvin: [00:00:00] Stanley Levinson leaves the Communist Party formally. He founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization.

He recruits King. He writes King's speeches. He manages King's organization.

And basically starts the civil rights movement, it is just a rebranding of the Communist Party USA.

if you're graphing the social networks of the CPUSA, you will always find these like hereditary aristocrats on top. Jessica Medford's she's really the social queen of American communism. She marries is a guy named Bob Truhoft. And runs labor law firm.

So when Hillary Clinton graduates from Yale law school, where did she go to work first? Oh, no. , and it's like Barack Obama's connection to billiards. It's just like, yeah, sure. Let's talk about how many degrees of separation connect vice president Kamala Harris to Jim Jones.

Malcolm Collins: The guy who killed all those people in South America.

Jonestown

Curtis Yarvin: Jonestown.

Simone Collins: And we also

Curtis Yarvin: are not told that Jim Jones was such a huge [00:01:00] booster of the Soviet Union the letter That harvey milk wrote to .

Jimmy carter defending Jim Jones right to take this child who was claimed by his mother from his father and taken to Jonestown who later died in Jonestown.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize this.

Curtis Yarvin: boyfriend who he raped and then, you know, killed himself

Would you like to know more?

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-1: I tried. I really tried to find a good place to intro the script here, but the stuff said at the beginning keeps getting referenced later on. So you are going to get a stream of Curtis Jarvin thought in this, and it is. A fantastic episode. I think one of our better episodes. , just from an entertainment and informational perspective, if you don't know who Curtis Jarvin is, he's probably one of the most famous living political thinkers. , you might also know him as much as mobile.

He came up with the idea of the cathedral. He founded Herbet. Eddie. He's also a [00:02:00] fervent monarchist.

Curtis Yarvin: With the assistance of 11, with the assistance of 11 labs, you can actually make me say things that I didn't, which is opens up a really large new set of possibilities. And I need to do that absolutely.

Absolutely. Absolutely. You can, you can just catch in things and sound almost like the person results. This is just, it's a useful use of AI and you just make them say what they should have said. You know, cut out those, those Tourette's moments, all those N words, you know, and No,

Malcolm Collins: I'm adding all of those.

That's the point, right? We're going to have you talk like a gangster in

Curtis Yarvin: this entire interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. You do the whole cut. And then the person is, the poor person is forced to claim, you know, this ridiculous claim that these nice people you know, edited Dan word into his track and it's really, it's just a patently false claim.

It's just like, my account was hacked, you know, [00:03:00] right? Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You were hacked into the AI. You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually

Malcolm Collins: so glad that AI is getting this good because I, when, when people catch me doing actually like horrifying stuff, I'm just going to be like, oh, that was AI.

Curtis Yarvin: I know. I know. And actually what people don't understand is that in the long run, it actually is a privacy technology. It creates more privacy because the result is basically, you know, seeing a video of someone now in the future is just going to be treated like you can you know, it's like someone showing someone a text file and saying they wrote this text file.

Simone Collins: Exactly. Yeah. So he's like, maybe they didn't, maybe they

Curtis Yarvin: didn't write, you know?

Malcolm Collins: So the baby feast, I thought that that was like our major, like under the cover thing of it. Get live that we feasted on babies on the you know, the black moon, but no baby feasts all in. Nobody will believe it.

Curtis Yarvin: The whole proto natalism thing is just, just because the babies are born doesn't mean you need to raise them. I mean, [00:04:00] have you ever seen a zucchini that's full grown? It's disgusting, right? Actually, the zucchinis we buy, those are baby zucchinis, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: You know, do you know what a white coat is?

Malcolm Collins: No. A

Curtis Yarvin: white coat.

It's a baby harp seal. It's a baby harp seal, which is actually in its lanugo. No. Which is the hair, it grows within the womb and it is beautiful, fluffy, fluffy, fluffy white stuff that works great in a coat and it only lasts for

Simone Collins: like a couple

Curtis Yarvin: of weeks. Well they used to club, there's like a, you know, there's, there's a There's, there's, there's a resistance apparently to clubbing them at the moment because they have these cute melting eyes and they look up at you, you know, when they're on the ice before you, before you clubbed them with these cute melting eyes, right?

You know, and of course, you

Simone Collins: know, the men

Curtis Yarvin: who, I mean, and the men who clubbed them, these are the crudest of men. These are French Canadians. These are like, you know, people that. Even the French would reject, right? You know, and they're clubbing these cute baby animals to [00:05:00] death. Very desensitizing. Like, you can't trust a man like this in civilization ever again.

You know, they need to be kept out on the ice. You know, and, and so in any case, you used to be able to buy these fluffy seal skin coats made from baby seal. Obviously suitable only for women. Apparently seal fur is suitable for men as well. So at some, you know, at some point, you know, when I have actual money, I should try and go and buy an antique antique used, used old fur is surprisingly cheap, right?

So maybe you can find like white coat, baby harp seal, you know, which no one has to be harmed for because it's vintage, right? The seal has already been clubbed you know, and, and, you know, no one is harmed by this and it's, and you have this beautiful white fluffy coat.

Simone Collins: Yeah, no one wants furs. It's also like, they smell weird after a while, and it's just not great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, well, I'm sure they can use the material. You can use this material. On the seals, you can use the seals. No, all

Malcolm Collins: of this material is going to be [00:06:00] used. I'm going to be talking about,

it's actually primarily a video podcast. We do a lot of like your

Simone Collins: hair looks really good. I don't know what you're doing.

Curtis Yarvin: I had a supporter you know, paid for me to get a very expensive haircut in, in New York and I've since maintained it. So it's just the right, the right look.

It's the right. Yeah. Do you want me to play the old hits? Should I talk about Irvett? Should I? No, no, I know

Malcolm Collins: exactly what we're going to talk about. I want that whole speech about how Marxism is actually like, this, how it became the culture of the ultra affluent in the United States.

And how it took over that culture. And you, you had this conversation over breakfast and I was just like, this is brilliant.

Curtis Yarvin: The first thing you have to understand about Marx is that Marx is an English gentleman. Okay, he's born in Germany. He is a Jew. He is part of the European world of the early [00:07:00] 19th century, which is a profoundly Anglophile world, and it is a profoundly Anglophile world, both Because English speaking culture is beautiful and amazing, and so many great things have been created under English speaking culture, but also because of the battle of Waterloo.

Otherwise, we would all be speaking French, right? You know, we thought we beat Hitler so that we would not have to speak this hard language, German. Actually, the defeat of Napoleon was the defeat of the sensitive, important language of French. So, you know, essentially You know, the sort of the prehistory of the 20th century is the 19th century and like, you know, it's really, it's a relatively short amount of time.

You may not know. Do you know about the Tyler's?

Simone Collins: No.

Curtis Yarvin: So, the, I believe 13th president, John Tyler who later I believe became a confederate senator. It used to be two, now only one, one of his grandchildren [00:08:00] is alive today.

Malcolm Collins: Wow. Okay. And

Curtis Yarvin: so, you know, this is a guy born in the 18th century who was the 13th president of the U.

S. One of his grandchildren was, is alive today. Now that is some serious longitudinal pronatalism right there because it takes a couple of you know, late in life childbearing experiences. Anyway. So, you know, my point is this country ain't so old at all. Right. And when you look back at kind of the 19th century, which really starts with the American and French revolutions, the rest of the 18th century is a very foreign to us, but it sort of comes into focus more for us.

And it's easier to explain in modern terms, of course, as it goes into the 19th, which is the era of s**t lib revolution. Excuse me, liberal revolutions. And that's another one of these cases where you added 11 labs had had something to do with that. I didn't say that you know, and, and in [00:09:00] any case the, the, so because of, you know, we can't ignore the role of Anglo Saxon.

In the French Revolution, it's huge. It's absolutely the thing. You have like the revolution society in London, which is doing exactly the same thing as like the Soviet sims in 1930 or the Ukraine sims now, you know, they love that s**t. It never dies, right? And hugely romantic because you have this energy of like, it's this telescopic philanthropy that Dickens talks about where you care more about the people far from you.

Remember the heat map, you know, the heat map the meme of the heat map. It's such a good meme. No, explain this meme.

Malcolm Collins: I'm gonna find this meme.

Curtis Yarvin: The heat map is something you see posted on certain areas of Twitter. I think I did a lot of, to popularize it, but it's actually from Nature. And it's basically a publication which shows that when you basically [00:10:00] compare the level of, of, of familial the level of, like, concern for others that people have.

And conservative concern for others, where like liberals,

Malcolm Collins: like love rocks and like conservatives

Curtis Yarvin: love their more than they love rocks more than grandma. Right. You know? And of course their love for rocks is an affectation and not real love. Nobody can really love a rock. Right. You know, probably easier in some ways for a woman.

Nevermind. But, you know, our children are

Malcolm Collins: terrifically autistic. You might be surprised how much they love rocks. Yeah. Yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing I say about my

Malcolm Collins: kid road, love trains. Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. The thing is, the thing that I say about my, my almost two year old is that when you give it an object he hasn't seen before, you always feel like he's observing it to see if it belonged to the previous Dalai [00:11:00] Lama.

You probably know that vibe, right? You know, yes. Funny

Malcolm Collins: way to say it. Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: In any case, we go back to not actually believing in reincarnation. Let's get back to Marx. So the thing is after, after the battle of Waterloo, basically, in which is the first point in which England, you know, the, the unipolar order begins with the battle of Waterloo, right?

And because then England becomes kind of. Clearly, we're all primus inter paris, at least on the seas, right? And that creates, you know, because of you know, there was an Arab, Arab philosopher who's, oh Osama bin Laden, who said, you know, by nature, when we see a strong horse and a weak horse, we like the strong.

So basically, there's a couple of different ways in which, let's call that Osama's rule, right, you know, and there's a couple of different ways in which Osama's law really, you know, [00:12:00] kind of is relevant to the existence of the, like, the shitlib and those, like, original shitlib that Marx

Malcolm Collins: was saying.

Curtis Yarvin: And, and, and, and, you know, cause I cannot speak sensitively about the great Arab philosophers.

And you know, the, the, the, that's. So in any case, in any case, Marxism, so basically Marxism comes out of this world that Dickens is caricaturing with the telescopic philanthropy, specifically what Dickens is talking about, you know, in his little cameo of Mrs. Jelly Bee in Bleak House who She cares much more about liberating the natives of Boreal Boola Gah you know, than her own children in her house, which she leaves unclean, is that she's characterizing a particular piece of kind of, shitlib colonialism, or missionary colonialism, as I say, one of my [00:13:00] voices not being faked by Eleven Labs.

And, and, and this missionary colonialism is what rules the Earth today, basically. It's the spirit of the United f*****g Nations. Which is also, you know, it's ultimately a Kantian spirit. It's like this sort of Europeanization of basically originally British modes of thought that we can trace all the way back to the late 18th century.

And so what happens is that sort of anglophilic thought becomes you know, deracinated, it becomes separated from its roots in Christianity, and it basically becomes this kind of, but, but it still very much is rooted in, in not just Christianity, but like English mainline Protestantism, dissenter Protestantism is sort of its deepest roots, you know, going back, you know, To the 17th and even the 16th century but, you know, it first becomes really [00:14:00] visible in this kind of like in this sort of poisonous spirit of marks.

And I think that marks is real. Innovation was to basically kind of take. So, if you look at the way the founders, right, for example, about political parties, which they call factions, or even the way they use the word democracy. You know, the idea that say, you know, all rationalists, I bet you have a lot of rationalists out there.

They all know about Duverger's law, which says that most political systems favor a two party kind of structure. And if you told the people that wrote the constitution that the U. S. would have a two party structure for its entire operating period as a constitution, they would basically be like, wow, the constitution has actually been inside its operating engineering envelope.

for its entire time because it's basically, you know, it's expecting like questions to actually be solved by like debate among statesmen in the Senate, right? It's like operating in a completely different universe than, you know, than it is today, right? And so there's no [00:15:00] debate in the Senate. What the hell?

Right. You know, the House of Representatives, which is supposed to be the voice of the mob of the people of the turbulent orders has a 99 percent an 88 percent incumbency rate. The Senate is 90 percent and plus an insane seniority system that is nowhere mentioned in any f*****g constitution.

Right. It was like it was written down by God. Right.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone): Given that around half of the people who watch our show are outside of America. , I'm going to need to provide some context here. I think so the founding fathers of America, when they were building the constitution, one thing that they were very concerned about was that a.

Party system may end up forming in our country.

And so they built the constitution to prevent that. Now, if you are familiar with American politics, you'd be like, but doesn't America have a very strong two-party system and it's yes, it does. And it had one from almost the very first elections we held. So the American constitution failed within the lifetime of the founding fathers and it has been operating outside.

Its. , [00:16:00] meant to operate boundaries for a very, very long time. In addition to that things like the Senate were supposed to be where smart people would go up and debate and compromise and come up with plans for things. We do not have like real debates. , where people are being swayed by other people's words on the Senate floor anymore.

That is not the way the Senate function. So again, operating outside its parameters, And in our book, the pragmatists guide to governance or that pizza's the guardian did on our city state one, we point this out. But the other thing that we point out is sometimes the form that a thing collapsed into is more stable. Then the state it was designed to operate within.

I am reminded here of a collapsed cathedral where I went to college in St. Andrews. , and the Seadrill was in its collapsed state much longer than it was ever in its built state. , and that's because the forms that things collapse into are often self reinforcing. If the [00:17:00] building is still standing for like a hundred, 200 years. , and I think that that's sort of what happened with the U S government. ,

Curtis Yarvin: and so, you know, but I digress. . What Marx's innovation was, you know, that he was basically, he kind of looked at the violence and the conflict and the dysfunction that's inherent in these Republican forms of government and said, no, this is not a bug.

This is a feature, or rather it's kind of this like class war stage is something we have to go through. And so he's kind of goes from this kind of benevolent. Telescopic philanthropy to this kind of violent telescopic philanthropy, where he basically, he goes from wanting to civilize the nation, you know, the peoples of Borea Bulaga.

Again, this is based on, I'm sorry, I digress. This was based on the Niger expedition. This that's spelled N I G E R. Yeah, right. Okay. You know the word and you change the [00:18:00] expedition. Thank you. 11 labs for for you know, fixing, fixing that. And the expedition total failure. They were going to basically civilize the, the natives of the lower delta and teach them to grow cotton.

In like the 1830s, 1840s, I forget the moment, total disaster, ridiculous, you know, cartoon third world shitshow of an experience, right? And so, you know, Marx goes from this sort of benevolent missionary imperialism to this kind of violent missionary imperialism, where you start to see people, like, getting actually excited.

By these kinds of barbarities that they sponsor and getting excited by the class war that they sponsor. It's the sort of extremely refined pleasure, which is so it's sort of it starts to become this kind of psychopathic thing. You know, if you basically supported Stalin in America in the thirties, [00:19:00] right?

You basically all you always had this edge of like, I'm so much more real for you because then you because I understand the need to kill people and you don't

Malcolm Collins: and like, I

Curtis Yarvin: understand that you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs. I understand.

Malcolm Collins: In the follow ups to this election cycle is a lot of leftists are like, we need to go back to being a party of the working class, but the working class is trans people, you know, like, I'm like, they were never, they were

Curtis Yarvin: never, they were never a part of the working class.

So the thing is, the idea that go back to is a complete illusion. They were always a party of the aristocrats and going all the way back to Marx and his f*****g sugar daddy f*****g Engels, you know, who, you know, ran a factory and supported this very, you know, profligate you know, person in his sterile intellectual career.

Marx was a great writer to [00:20:00] be fair, really amazing writer, you know, and the but like, you know, sort of reaching the barrier to that evil and like saying no, this thing that you've called evil is actually both inevitable and in its own way. Good. And of course, Marx would have loved to play this game where he's like.

I'm not really saying this is good. I'm not really excited by, you know, the, the, you know, talk of like, you know, gouging your eyes out and jacking off all of your corpse. It's just a metaphor, you know, that I'm like saying, you know, and like, like, like the, you know, he's like the creepy, you know, kid who writes the creepy short, short stories in the high school, you know, English class.

Right. You know, and so, so he's doing this shooter

Malcolm Collins: vibe.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, school shooter vibes, right? And so the thing is, you have these school shooter vibes that, like, extend all the way down to, like, Frantz Fanon, right? Who's just, like, you know, wants to kill, like, colonialists, right? And gets a substantial amount of that work [00:21:00] done.

And you know,

Malcolm Collins: sorry, people won't know this other character you named. What is he famous for?

Curtis Yarvin: Who is Frantz Fanon? Frantz Fanon is he was supported by the CIA. He was a communist. But I repeat myself. He was a He was an anti colonialist, sort of early, basically woke thinker from the 1950s.

This is early sort of No some kind of Europe, you know, international European. Huh. You know, the funny thing about Frantz Fanon is his name is not spelled F R A N Z. It's spelled F R A N Z. F R A N

Malcolm Collins: T Z,

Curtis Yarvin: But it so happens that misspelling it Frans without the T is an error we find in both Barack Obama and Bill Ayers.

Erda, we're excredited to both of those authors. So, yeah, Frantz Fanon is like universally, he's an early anti colonialist thinker, like, he's absolutely completely orthodox. [00:22:00] And he's basically like, you know, kill the colonialist babies and rip them from their mothers wombs or whatever, I don't know what he says exactly, but like, there's like, heavy, bloodthirsty energy there.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-4: For some examples of exact quotes we have. Violent to the cleansing force. It frees the native from his inferiority complex and from his despair in inaction, it makes him fearless and restores his self-respect. For the native life can only spring again, out of the rotting corpse of the settler. At a level of individuals, violence is a cleansing force.

He also argued that anyone who was a colonized person could enact any form of violence. They wanted against people who he deemed as colonizers without any moral repercussions or moral downsides.

Curtis Yarvin: And

Malcolm Collins: Obama is supporting him and Bill Maher is supporting him?

Curtis Yarvin: Bill Ayers. Ayers. Bill

Malcolm Collins: Ayers. Okay, whatever. The weather

Curtis Yarvin: underground guy. The weather underground guy. According to many reliable, yes, reports was Obama's mentor and wrote his books. Right. And [00:23:00] so we sort of, we see this trace of like this kind of sweet tooth for blood that appears in these people again and again.

And it's like they have a sweet tooth for blood. For power at first, they want to be matter. They want to be listened to. They want to have an impact. They want to change the world in a good way. You give them more and more power here. They like their, their, their results are worse and worse. And eventually they're kind of sweet tooth for power turns into a real sweet tooth for blood, right?

You know, and, and the thing is.

Malcolm Collins: Connect here. Sorry, before you go further, because I want to make sure this is the only episode where the guest talks more than me. I love this. I'm going to get so much.

Simone Collins: This is how it should be, Malcolm. This is how it's supposed to be.

Malcolm Collins: I, but I, yeah, but hold on. I want to make a bridge here.

I want you to talk about this because you're doing a very good job of connecting modern political figures with communists of the past and over this breakfast, when you were talking, you did a really good job of connecting Hillary Clinton [00:24:00] in Marxism, as well as this, like, actor family in the 50s who were supposed to be Marxist and then everyone thought they weren't Marxist.

Oh yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, yeah, I was so a couple of, couple of different things there. So, so, the thing is that, you know, the separation between, like, you know, Do you know the biological theory of cladistics? It's like the way you classify No! What are

Malcolm Collins: cladistics?

Curtis Yarvin: Cladistics is a concept in evolutionary biology

Malcolm Collins: that

Curtis Yarvin: basically says here is the only way to do categories in things that are descended in what's broadly called a genetic way, as both genes and languages are.

Simone Collins: Okay,

Curtis Yarvin: so, for example, in both genes and languages, it is a classification error to have the classifications that are purely based on, for example, if you have a category of [00:25:00] animal that flies and you call it a bird bat bug, a bird bat bug is a false category.

Simone Collins: Huh.

Curtis Yarvin: Similarly, if you have a language, if you have a category that is a negative predicate, things that are not birds, that is also a false category.

Actually, if you're really looking at the evolutionary structure, you realize that birds should be grouped with dinosaurs and not with bats.

Simone Collins: Right.

Curtis Yarvin: Okay. But any kind of naive thinking makes you confuse them with bats. Now, the thing is when we're looking at, so that's one way of looking when we use words like Marxist or liberal or whatever, that's one way of looking at what are the distinctions here.

Another way of looking at, say, how do we use these words. Is saying, okay, let's look at the social graphs. So let's, for example, compare, say, the social graph of Democrats to the social graph of [00:26:00] of Republicans. In general, what we would see is that Democrats are tolerated at a Republican event, but Republicans are not tolerated at a Democratic event.

Yes. Right. Okay, that is a, that is an arrow. We would see the same relationship with respect to Republicans and white nationalists. They would love to recruit some mainstream figures from the GOP. They'd love it, you know, let's say you know, Kevin McCarthy showed up at a Klan rally. He would be accepted.

But if David Duke showed up at a GOP meeting, he would not be accepted. They would, let's say Kevin McCarthy comes, he's in his like hood thing, you know, like it's a big secret, right? You know, former house leader, actually also grand wizard. Now it's time to unmask himself. He's, he's been working for the organization all along.

Right. You know, you can see it, right. You know, so the thing is, When we establish that relationship between liberals and communists, what do we see? Do we [00:27:00] see any social exclusion there? Maybe some situations in which the communists exclude the liberals. There's no situation where you're, you're just too much of a leftist.

Come to my party. Your Maoism is totally acceptable. You do not realize that Mao killed 30 million people and you're wearing a Mao shirt? No, we can't have you at this party. Okay, that does not happen.

Simone Collins: Yeah, you can't realize that Che

Curtis Yarvin: Guevara was a murderer. You can't comment on a Che shirt. I have a Che shirt.

Nobody complains,

Malcolm Collins: okay,

Curtis Yarvin: so, so, so, you know, so what you're seeing is that those net, that concept doesn't exclude, like, that's not a meaningful differentiation. Now, the idea that you can't distinguish between a liberal and a communist, that there's no fundamental distinction. Places you to the right of the whole Republican Party since the early 1950s.

Malcolm Collins: Because in

Curtis Yarvin: fact, it even places you to the right of Joe McCarthy. Because Joe McCarthy, of course, you know, insisted that you could tell the difference between a liberal and a [00:28:00] communist. Joe McCarthy was not out to purge the government of liberals. If he had been, he would have realized that he had a much harder problem and he was not actually solving the real problem that he was supposed to be solving.

Let me give you a, let me give you a very specific, here's what you were fishing for. Let me give you a very specific example of this. Did I or did I not talk at this breakfast about the name Stanley Leveson?

Malcolm Collins: I don't know if you did.

Curtis Yarvin: I might have mentioned the name Stanley Leveson.

Malcolm Collins: I don't have a good memory, okay?

You're going so fast here, I couldn't keep it all down. That's why you need me on the show.

Curtis Yarvin: It's all the drugs you did back in the 60s. You know, in any case, in any case, you know, Stanley Levinson. So, you know, one of the things that in order to maintain the separation between communists and liberals, you have to airbrush out of American history.

Is that America also has a civil rights movement in the 20s and the 30s and that civil rights movement is unequivocally part [00:29:00] of the Communist Party USA, which is at its high point in those periods. Self determination and the Black Belt. Oh, I

Malcolm Collins: remember that. This is the guy who ran all these organizations.

Okay, continue. This was really cool. The National

Curtis Yarvin: Negro Congress, you know. Huh. You know, the thing is, basically, the Highlander Where they were communist? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they were communists, right? The CPUSA was a huge thing. I

Malcolm Collins: looked all this up afterwards. Yes,

Curtis Yarvin: yes, yes. They were communists, right? So, so, the thing is, like, after the US You know, the U.

S. has a very different relationship with the Soviet Union in the 1930s than in the 1950s. Okay, in between is the 1940s when there are beloved brothers in saving the world from Hitler. Then suddenly we go to war with them right after the war. What the f**k? The Korean War, we're fighting our old friends.

Like, what happened? This is super weird. This is basically what Orwell is talking about in the end of 1984, [00:30:00] right? You know, somehow people just like retconned this stuff and weren't like, wow, it is super weird that we were allied with Stalin and now Stalin is Hitler. That's super strange, and you read the newspapers from 1944, and they have to totally change their frickin line, right?

So, you know, let me give you a, another interesting fact. This is the fact of Stanley Levison. Stanley Levison who might well have met my grandparents as a Jewish communist in New York in the 40s and 50s.

Stanley Levison has is a person who had two lives. So, and this is all, you know, extremely well, this is not controversial in the slightest. Okay. This is all things that all historians agree on. They just don't really want you to talk about it. Until 1956 he is essentially the CFO of the Communist Party USA.

He's running its treasury. You know, and then in 1956, so the party has several steps in its decline. One of them is the Molotov Ribbentrop pact

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-5: This was the non-aggression pact between the [00:31:00] Nazis and the communists or between Nazi, Germany and communist Soviet union.

Curtis Yarvin: sort of recovers from that, not quite as well as it should have. That's 39, of course, then the start of the Cold War damages it again and the Korean War damages it.

And the final blow. That really renders it a totally fringe organization of no real relevance is 56 in the Hungarian Revolution and Khrushchev's secret speech in which he denounces Stalin. Okay, leaves it really hard to be super faithful after that. Somehow my grandparents managed, many did not. In any case, in 1956, Stanley Levinson decides time for a new gig.

So he leaves the Communist Party formally. It's not like he goes before McCarthy and tells the Senate everything. Oh, no. He does something else. He starts the civil rights movement. To be exact, he founds the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which is Martin Luther King's organization. He recruits King.

[00:32:00] He recruits King. He writes all of King's speeches. He manages King's organization.

Malcolm Collins: He's the speechwriter. Whoa, you said that he's making up

Curtis Yarvin: stuff. It's not something, it's like some wild s**t I'm making up. This is just f*****g history, man. He so he creates King. He finds this basically black dude who's gotten a PhD in plagiarism and has a rich, compelling, preacherly, oratorical voice.

And basically starts the civil rights movement, and essentially Americans are never told that it is just literally a rebranding of the Communist Party USA. They try to keep, there's other, you know, other leading figures are also leading communists. You know, and you know, So essentially, you know, a few years after what the Red Star does is it's essentially like removing your prostate when you have prostate cancer.

Okay. Well, actually, no, it [00:33:00] wasn't. You're removing the prospect. We're just going to like jab at 40 or 50 times with a toothpick. And you know what that's going to do is that's going to result in basically spreading cancer cells around your body and only by detailed G. N. A. Examination. Can you see that this like pain you feel one day in your shoulder, which is actually a tumor growing in the marrow that's going to crack your bone open?

You know, like you're reading ribs. Is actually something that came from your prostate and that's what that's result of the red scare not going far enough

Malcolm Collins: Hold on quick side note because when I was researching this the way that you really convinced me is you're like look up the The the web the wikipedia article.

Yeah, i'll tell

Curtis Yarvin: it look at the look up the wikipedia for stanley leveson It tells you that he created the southern christian leaders christian leadership council Look up the wikipedia page for the southern christian leadership council

Malcolm Collins: Control

Curtis Yarvin: f stanley leveson, you won't find it Oh,

Malcolm Collins: that's like one

Curtis Yarvin: of your like, do you know when like truman and the truman show [00:34:00] sees that like there's like The edge of the world is actually like made of like pieces of canvas and they're like stitches in the canvas Right.

How do you stitch that one up? How do you stitch that one up? Right? You know, the thing is so here's another fact that you may not be aware of Wait,

Malcolm Collins: wait, wait, hold on.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah, I don't even remember what I said.

Malcolm Collins: I forgot.

Curtis Yarvin: No, no, i'm just gonna i'm gonna inflict this on you malcolm. You're gonna yeah, you're just gonna deal with it So you have you ever heard the word progressive?

Well, you know, the thing is what's funny is my my Parents who I know only through my parents were actual card carrying members of the Communist Party USA for 50 years. I'm not sure what happened to the cards, but I'm sure they had actual cards.

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-6: I should clarify that he means this literally communists during this period, you had to buy and pay a subscription for membership to the party. , and you were not considered a member if you were not paying. And it was an incredibly clandestine thing. It was very, very secretive.

And you could have your card taken away if you got in [00:35:00] trouble with the party.

And this could, if you were in some industries, like in Hollywood, absolutely destroy your career.

Curtis Yarvin: The word that they always used, they always used two words.

They used the word communist and they used the word progressive. The word progressive was used universally to avoid outing people for any member or supporter of the party. This is the way the word has been used

Malcolm Collins: and has

Curtis Yarvin: been since about 1930. Before then you have like Teddy Roosevelt, who's actually kind of more of a fascist, right?

 One thing you can go back and read to convince yourself of this is two wonderful publications. One of them is the new masses,

Malcolm Collins: beautifully

Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists. org since we're on a Marx kick today.

Malcolm Collins: Beautifully

Curtis Yarvin: archived on marxists.

org. And and it's basically the New Yorker, but for communists in the 1930s, which is to say the New Yorker, basically, but a little more doctrinally orthodox you know, and the other is the communist, which is the journal of the Communist Party, USA, and you can look at those [00:36:00] and you can see the way they use the word progressive and you can see the way that is basically a term for like one of us.

It basically means slash our guys. If you've seen the term,

Malcolm Collins: it

Curtis Yarvin: means slash our guys for Marxists. When they had to be a little bit in the closet, only a little bit in the thirties. Right. And so essentially as the old left, which is a centralized organization under the CPU, I say, because the anarchy anarchic metastatic.

Decentralized universal new left, which becomes wokeism or as some call it, progressivism like appears. It's like you can trace this route back to the twenties and thirties. It's literally a hundred years old. Moreover, if you've heard of the practice, if you've heard of the practice. So let me just finish, because I'm just, I'm really trying to blow your minds as hard as I can at this point.

Just to finish, this practice of cancelling people is actually a communist party practice. [00:37:00] And so, for example, oh yes, so for example, in 1946, 46 I think, Stalin Because the Cold War is starting breaks with the American leadership of the Communist Party USA, which is under a man named Earl

Malcolm Collins: Browder.

Curtis Yarvin: Amazing guy.

Earl Browder has this wonderful line which he says communism is as American as apple pie, which I believe to be true. In any case in any case you know, Browder is running basically the popular front line, which is part of the alliance with FDR. That line says line has to break. The easiest way to break it is to fire the head of the CPU is a from Moscow.

This is highly disturbing to Americans, but unless it gets done, Browder has to be fired. He has to be accused of something and his people have to be accused of something. And one of his people is this woman named Bella Dodd. Who, unlike Stanley Levison, actually really does break with the party. Goes, you know, to the FBI, et cetera, tells everything she knows.

Writes a book called School of [00:38:00] Darkness, very interesting book. And in School of Dark

Malcolm Collins: I'll be back soon.

Well, I told you this would be an entertaining topic.

Simone Collins: Holy

Malcolm Collins: smokes. I mean, I was,

Simone Collins: I've been wondering why, like, cause it's still like, I couldn't get like, wait, why?

Why is Black Lives Matter so Marxist? Why is, like, civil rights communism? Why did they put black

Malcolm Collins: culture first, you know? Like, this shouldn't be related, and

Simone Collins: it's like, oh no, the guy who was the communist guy is then just decided to do, like, civil rights.

Malcolm Collins: What?! Is that black culture? used to be, if you go back to the 60s it had half the number of out of marriage births as white culture.

Now 70 percent of black kids are born with that. Right. And it's, it's just because like a

Simone Collins: bunch of communists were like, we now own civil rights. Like we're going to do civil rights now. And like, that's what that is because

Malcolm Collins: Martin Luther King sold out the black culture by acting as a mouthpiece for this guy.

That

Simone Collins: So

Malcolm Collins: the [00:39:00] guy who used to be the treasurer of the American communist party then just did all this speech writing and you go, Oh

Simone Collins: my gosh. That is like, wow. But it explains so much. It explains so much.

Malcolm Collins: So Curtis Yervin, he's not like the other guests we've had on. I'm not a dude. What a dude. Dominating Curtis Jarvin.

It's like us setting back and he's like having a rant He did but they're good

Simone Collins: rants Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: They are a good way to

Simone Collins: roar top drawer Damn. But yeah, I actually, but like, I just didn't know. I didn't know how deep it was. Like, just how deep the communism goes. It's like communism all the way down what is going on?

What is our country? Oh,

Malcolm Collins: you haven't heard his connections with Hillary Clinton yet? It's bad. I

Simone Collins: wanna hear, I hope he gets a cord. He needs to go to court.

Malcolm Collins: But no, so it gets crazier. So like, I love that, like Curtis Jarvin, you know, he comes on, he, we're like trying to prep him to like, do like an intro.

[00:40:00] Like, okay, this is what does well on YouTube. He's like, f**k it. I'm just starting. Like, I don't get a chance to introduce him. I don't get a chance to promote anything. I'm f*****g starting this.

Simone Collins: He's just, no, he just has to like drop truth bomb after truth bomb. And we've been Dresden like, I don't even know.

And are you, are you Dresden with my reality is burning. She's on fire.

Malcolm Collins: That is a good thing. I like that. And I like you. You are amazing.

Simone Collins: I love you too, but I'm, I'm, I'm a little shook. Malcolm. That was your reality. It was dressed in

Malcolm Collins: bombs.

Simone Collins: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Malcolm Collins: You see, I was like recording. I was like, Oh, I could do a good episode on this. I could do a good episode.

Yeah. But

Simone Collins: you're like, there were so many receipts. You had no more room in like your

Malcolm Collins: note.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I was like, I did too many names.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, if you don't know Curtis Yarbon is a friend of ours. We, we talk with him a lot. I, well, we were [00:41:00] at conferences and stuff. Like every time we're at a conference, like it started, we're like cold acquaintances where we're like, Oh, I know who you are and you know who I am.

But I think we've been at enough conferences. I feel very comfortable calling him a friend now.

Curtis Yarvin: Back! He's coming back! Return. I have returned. All right. So I was telling the story of Bella Dodd, right? You got the Bella Dodd content. So Bella Dodd is on the Politburo and she's one of Browder's people. And gotta go, you know, sometimes, sometimes you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, right?

And what's interesting is how they get rid of her, though. Because They basically prior in front of a kangaroo court for racism. They didn't even use word racism. It was racial chauvinism or white chauvinism, maybe, but basically she was accused of being racist to her. Who did this, the Congress or the communist party?

So basically there was one place where you could be canceled for racism, you know, And it was with the Communist Party in 1948. And it was, it was being [00:42:00] in the poll Bureau of the Communist party, USA.

Malcolm Collins: They did it first.

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. And so, you know, you can go and find, basically it's just like people write these f*****g books, like the Origin of Woke or whatever.

Yeah. You know, which starred in like 2012 or even 1965 or something. Right? Yeah. You know, as if you couldn't find, there's this insane book that WB, WEB Du Bois dub wrote.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Du Bois, not DUIs,

Simone Collins: really.

Curtis Yarvin: No. And, and the the, the like, and, you know, which is called Dark Princess, and it's this insane like anti colonialist, like, you know, fantasy, like, oh, it sounds like a vsm.

Simone Collins: Chicklet. Yeah. Yeah. And

Curtis Yarvin: it has, it has that element to it. Right. I think. And, and, and, and, you know, it's like, it's kind of pulpy, you know, and it's not, it's not, it's not good, you know, which is why. So who's,

Malcolm Collins: who's referenced this book? What's the [00:43:00] relevance?

Curtis Yarvin: This was a review. I only found this book in a review by, I believe, Wyndham Lewis from the 1930s.

You know, Wyndham Lewis is very I gotta find the quotes

Malcolm Collins: from this. By the way, Simone described this when you were gone, because we kept recording. She goes, she's been what is it? Firebomb like Dresden with truce bombs, right, right, right, right. And so, yeah, and so,

Curtis Yarvin: and so, yeah, it drives you, it drives you, you know, like, yeah, you have to, you have to struggle a little to keep your sanity, right, you know, and, and the thing is, you know, basically, you know, the truth about history is that basically.

Like, QAnon is right in spirit, okay? It's wrong about everything, but like, in spirit, like, you know, understanding, understanding that, that like, this is not like your mother, like, this is a demonic organism from outer space. Like, that's the thing to really understand. You know, it's like, I was, I was seeing someone writing about like early, you know, [00:44:00] sort of the weirdness of 2020 and like the whole, like, rupture with reality.

Simone Collins: Yeah,

Curtis Yarvin: that I think a lot of, you know, smart liberals, you know, like certainly including, for example, my ex like got into, we're just like, well, the way I saw one person describing it is it's basically like, imagine like you're living, you're like a kid, right? You know, you're doing your like kid thing. And then your mother like unzips her skin and she's a robot.

And then your best friend's, you know, mother unzips her skin, and she's also a robot. It actually turns out that all the moms are robots, and everyone just sort of keeps carrying on like, like, that's normal, right? Okay, everybody's mom is a robot. No, that was

Malcolm Collins: so 20, that was so

Curtis Yarvin: COVID. Yeah. Like, it was like, oh, we're

Malcolm Collins: just like lying.

This is real life now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Right, I mean, the thing that I love is actually no one knows where the six feet thing came from. Really? And, and it seems to be some suggestion that it was actually So social distancing just like [00:45:00] came out there? Came up with this number, right? And there seems to be some evidence, I heard somewhere that it was part of some like 11th grade science fair project that came up with this number for like social distancing.

Checks out. Right, you know?

Simone Collins: That totally sounds weird. And

Curtis Yarvin: then, and then they like completely lied about this whole concept of like droplets versus airborne for like a year, or like the way year and a half. Remember how COVID wasn't airborne, it was spread only by droplets? And you're just like, what, what is the you know, what is the difference?

And it turned out to like, make no sense. And actually there's no difference. It was just some like shitty research from the 1960s. You know, or how actually, you know, a part of the resistance to declaring it airborne seems to date all the way back to a reaction in medical culture against miasma theory.

And because miasma theory, you know, the idea that right, was like smells and bad odors and right. And the idea that things could be spread in an airborne way, like, you know, this is obviously the case for so many things, like sort of, [00:46:00] it was just weird. It was just like weird internal biases in the medical system.

Like, Oh, what do you want me to get a

Simone Collins: plague mask, starting with the insane idea

Curtis Yarvin: that it's It's really important to protect us from bat viruses by going to southern China and collecting all the bat viruses and modifying to them to see if we can make them more dangerous, right? Which is the US government was funding, right?

It seems like a great idea, right? You know, and like, imagine like trying to get that past, like a venture capitalists, like say Mark Andreessen, like Mark is suddenly in charge of funding science. Right. And you're just like, well, I think what we need to do is go and collect all the bat viruses and see if we can make them more dangerous in a lab in China.

Speaker 22: what do you mean by that? Do you mean like, perhaps there's, there's a chance that this was created in a lab there's

Speaker 23: a novel respiratory coronavirus overtaking Wuhan, China. What do we do? Oh, you know who we could ask? The Wuhan Novel Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. The disease is the same name as the lab.

That's just, that's just a little too weird. Don't you think? [00:47:00] And then they ask the scientists, they're like you work at the Wuhan Respiratory Coronavirus Lab. How did this happen? And they're like, Mmm, a pangolin kissed a turtle. And you're like, No! If you look at the name, look at the name.

Can I, let me see your business card. Show me your business card. Oh, I work at the Coronavirus lab in Wuhan. Oh, because there's a coronavirus loose in Wuhan. How did that happen? Maybe a bat flew into the cloaca of a turkey and then it's dead. I sneezed into my chili, and now we all have coronavirus. Like, come on.

Okay, okay.

Curtis Yarvin: And you know,

Malcolm Collins: I think thought that was a good idea. I guess, like, conceptually, I don't get why anyone thought that was a good idea.

Curtis Yarvin: Because you have to basically be zoomed in really, really closely. Because what actually happened in terms of the history of that event is, [00:48:00] first of all, SARS 1 happens. And SARS 1 is a completely legitimate zoonosis that and actually you can, you can watch this wonderful Steven Soderbergh film, Contagion, which you probably saw at some point.

It's about COVID, but it was made before COVID was released. Which is super fun and it, Like, is completely it the virus in contagion is a bat coronavirus. Yes That goes into a zoonosis because what happens is the sars 1 which actually gets into humans kills like 100 people But isn't really contagious enough to spread that well, although it's very dangerous creates is a problem, right?

There's clearly a problem. We've got bat coronaviruses mutating to affect people

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it's

Curtis Yarvin: a thing. It happens because it's a real problem. Guess what? You can get a grant to study it. And so that creates this huge imagine if you've been researching in this broad area. Here's his minor curiosity. [00:49:00] It f*****g explodes.

It's like your startup took off. It's incredible. Right. And so because of that incredible thing, you have this boom mentality. Suddenly this thing that you happen to specialize in because you're like advisor had some kind of like furry bat fetish or something, and you're the world's biggest expert in bat Corona viruses because of this weirdo.

Right. And you're just like, f**k my life. And then suddenly it's a huge thing, which killed a hundred people and could have killed a hundred thousand. And you're like, this is a serious thing. Right. And so we need to defend the world against these viruses. And actually, the funniest thing about this story is that you know, the main company, I use that word advisedly, the main contractor behind it was this group, Echo Health Associates, and Echo Health run by the notorious Peter Daszak was actually,

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Why?

Curtis Yarvin: Because he was there, ran Echo Health, and he was the one who sponsored all of this research and funded the PREDICT study which the lab in Wuhan was working [00:50:00] from. Ah. Okay. This was all, this was not Chinese research. This was American research being done. In China. Largely to save money, but also because there were many Chinese grad students who needed work in China.

Simone Collins: Interesting.

Curtis Yarvin: Right. And the funniest thing is, do you know the name,

Simone Collins: We don't know any names.

Curtis Yarvin: He was, if you, I grew up in the, like, reading a lot of Commonwealth books. He was huge in the Commonwealth recently. There was a an HBO show about the Durrells in Corfu or something. His brother is Lawrence Durrell.

I love these Gerald Durrell books because. As a kid, because he basically went around collecting animals from like the decaying British Empire and taking them to fuzzy little animals like little lemurs and things and taking them back to his zoo in Jersey, not New Jersey, but Jersey to, to like breed and like restore save these populations, which were all about to be invite for Bushmeat.

As you know, Frantz Fanon rips the British Empire apart, right? And so, so, you know, [00:51:00] he saves them. And so saving cute little animals is something that old ladies will contribute to. We found an organization called the Wildlife Trust, which specializes in these ecological expeditions to save cute little animals.

Well, a young wildlife biologist named Peter Daszak realizes, while working at the Wildlife Trust, that actually, you know, while people love to give money to save cute baby animals, you know, governments love to give serious amounts of money. to stave off important public health problems, such as bat coronaviruses.

So it goes from basically finding, just due to the incentives of the situation, this one organization goes from saving the cute baby lemurs to collecting all the bat coronaviruses.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: Okay, because they could be a threat, so we have to predict their emergence. But why do they

Malcolm Collins: make them

Simone Collins: more dangerous?

The monetary incentive is there's very, very

Curtis Yarvin: simple. Okay. So basically you want to show the point of your papers to show that this is a problem. So the [00:52:00] government will give you more money. Well, in order to, these are bad viruses, right? They don't naturally affect humans and just sitting there doing the things, you know, every bat has like ton of these f*****g viruses, right?

Which fucked up all our lives for two years, killed millions of people. Right. But they don't naturally do that. Because they naturally infect bats. But the thing is, they can mutate. They can mutate, they change around, they become different things, right? You know, and that happens So he was

Malcolm Collins: just trying to show how they could be

Curtis Yarvin: dangerous?

It takes a long time. It takes a long time for them to do this accidentally. But the thing is, If we do it on purpose, we can show how it could happen accidentally. And that basically helps us understand how to like, I don't know, something, something, something, you know, it's like, imagine you have like a child, you have a number of children, imagine your oldest child, you come home and you find him and he's set in fire for the kitchen curtains.

And you're just like, and you're like, Henry, what are you doing? [00:53:00] And you're, and he's like, well, statistics show that, you know, many kitchen fires, many fires, how domestic fires start in the kitchen. So, you know, what would we do, for example, if those curtains caught fire?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Let's figure out a plan. Could we get

Curtis Yarvin: out?

Put the dog, get out, right? You know, and you know, when you're, when you're at like the dog, get out, you know, you realize that like just the teenage years of raising this organism are going to be like anything you ever considered experiencing, right? You know,

Malcolm Collins: we're all ready and we need to talk about Kevin Chertory.

We're running out of time and I need to get to the end of this. I need to get to one, this famous actor couple who turned out to be real communists and everyone thought were pretend communists. And then two, Hillary Clinton's connections to all this.

Curtis Yarvin: Oh, Hillary Clinton's connection to all this. So, Hillary Clinton's connection to all of this is very simple.

So, I'm not sure if you mean which actor couple you mean, because, you know, they were all common. There were the famous actor couple

Malcolm Collins: that were jailed in,

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-7: Sorry, what I was getting wrong is they weren't actors. I was thinking of, because he had told me about this, that I didn't know. , Julius and Ethel [00:54:00] Rosenberg. Do you know, third of the faces of communist hysteria, who ended up being executed for being communist synthesizers. And we're the only people in the United States ex. Executed for being communist synthesizers. Uh, and they maintain their innocence throughout the entire trial.

And it was this huge scandal. And now we know from declassified documents that, , they weren't just coming to synthesizers. They were actively spying for the Soviet union and actively spying on the Manhattan project for the Soviet union. So they were traders to the country in a way that could have gotten, , innumerous Americans killed.

Malcolm Collins: Well,

Curtis Yarvin: the Hollywood 10, for example, which might be part of what you're talking about.

Those were, there were more screenwriters and they were actually the leaders of the Communist Party in Hollywood, which had basically been, which had been a CPUSA, basically CPUSA had been acting as a closed shop union for all the screenwriters of all the films that all Americans watched for 20 f*****g years.

So if you want to talk about like, you know, propaganda or like programming people. [00:55:00] Right. You know, and, and they wouldn't, they would only do things that were basically you know, within the Overton window, their business was pushing the Overton window. You might've, if you saw the great Coen brothers movie, hail Caesar.

You might you might've seen that, that vibe.

Malcolm Collins: Go over Hillary.

Curtis Yarvin: Very simple. So, The doyen of the CPUSA, because she had this incredible English aristo vibe, was Jessica Mitford, known as Deca Mitford. And Deca Mitford comes over to the U. S. shortly before the war, and then her husband, Esmond Romilly, is killed in the Battle of Britain.

And so she's a very popular woman about town being. Being, being, being, being single. You know, and so very, if you're doing it sort of graphing the social networks of the CPUSA, you know, you will always find these like hereditary aristocrats on top. I mean, I can't imagine, [00:56:00] you know, what Jessica Medford's accent was like, you know, and, and you know, her sister's duchess, right, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

So she's the, she's really the social queen of American communism. The second husband who she marries is a guy named Bob Truhoft. And Bob Truhoft means, runs the leading west coast labor law firm. Which means basically, runs the leading communist law firm. Yeah, power couple.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Curtis Yarvin: Runs the leading communist law firm on the west coast.

So when Hillary Clinton graduates from Yale law school, where did she go to work first? Oh, no. Why for Rob Truhoff's firm?

Simone Collins: Oh, she had

Curtis Yarvin: no idea. Having written her senior thesis at Weldley on Sololinsky. Either she had no idea or, you know, it's just like this stuff is so completely blatant and out in the open.

Right. You know, and it's like Barack Obama's connection to billiards. It's just like, yeah, sure. [00:57:00] You know, and, and so imagine if like, imagine if like George W. Bush was like this connected to like Nazis. Oh, there's another fun fact that you don't also, maybe I didn't mention. Let's talk about how many degrees of separation connect vice president Kamala Harris to the Reverend Jim Jones.

How many degrees of separation would you expect there?

Malcolm Collins: Three, three. Give how little, what? Okay, go further.

Curtis Yarvin: Definitely not three.

Malcolm Collins: Two. No, come on, give it, give it, give it. Jim Jones

Curtis Yarvin: has been, has been written out of you know, his actual history. He's been described as this sort of weird, lone nut. Actually, he's a pillar of the 1970s San Francisco democratic party, which is Amelia out of which, of course, he's

Malcolm Collins: the guy who [00:58:00] killed all those people in South America.

Jonestown

Curtis Yarvin: Jonestown. So Jones, Jim Jones ran a progressive interracial church. It was genuinely interracial in which that consisted of basically ignorant, poor black people and like rich socialites. And a match made in heaven as they made you a match made in heaven, and it went to heaven, by the way, it was not Kool-Aid.

It was Flavor Aid. Most people don't know this. Oh, but no, that's

Simone Collins: extra insulting. No. And we also

Curtis Yarvin: are not told that Jim Jones was such a huge booster of the Soviet Union that his plan was always to escape to the Soviet Union and he actually had the People's Temple Treasury donated to the USSR in his will.

What?

Simone Collins: Believe it

Curtis Yarvin: or not. But also, he was a pillar of the San Francisco Democratic Party, who he used to do, like, vote harvesting type things for.

Simone Collins: And there's actually a

Curtis Yarvin: quote from Kamala Harris's mentor, Willie Brown,

Malcolm Collins: You know, you might say,

Curtis Yarvin: you might say, you [00:59:00] might say she came up under Willie, as they say, and I

Malcolm Collins: just need to point that out.

Okay. And,

Curtis Yarvin: and, and I, I, yeah, I don't have any problem with age gap relationships obviously, but you know, the, the the, the, you know, There's a great quote from willie brown about jim jones who you work closely with and that quote is I forget the order of these you'll find all these is great city journal article that you'll find all these Yeah, willie brown said when I think of jim jones, I think of a combination of I think the names were albert einstein martin luther king jr Mouncey tongue and angela davis.

Oh my possibly not in that order. There's not a great list of names You think of those you know, and, and, and, and like even better, you ever, you ever been in San Francisco town, it's midway in California and sometimes when you ever find a terminal one, it's the Harvey milk terminal. Oh yeah. [01:00:00] Okay. What the document that I want to see like like a five by eight feet blown up on the wall I don't even want to change the name in project 2025 You know, I want to like that's my you know I just want the picture on the wall full image of the letter That harvey milk wrote to jim.

Jimmy carter Defending jim jones. Oh hell. Yeah No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you will find this image and actually he's not just defending Jim Jones. He's defending Jim Jones right to basically take away this child who was basically claimed by his mother from his father and taken to Jonestown who later died in Jonestown.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot of people don't realize this.

Curtis Yarvin: boyfriend who he raped and then, you know, killed himself. You know, and, and,

Microphone (4- ATR2100x-USB Microphone)-8: So I was a [01:01:00] surprised by this and I wanted to dig into it to see if this is some conspiracy or some sort of like far right in sanity. , or is this like a mainstream fact? That's pretty accepted by everyone. , and so Harvey milk, if you don't know, there's been a movie made about him. There's a terminal named after him at the San Francisco airport.

He is considered a very famous figure. And it is also very, very well known that when he was 33, He was in a relationship with Jake McKinney, who at the time was 16 years old. , the core defense of this that I have seen from leftist is, well in many us states, age of consent is 16. So this is okay. , but it wasn't 16 in California where they were, it was 18. , It does appear that his accusations, , grape are overblown, unless you're just talking about statutory rape, which I don't really consider grape.

And then the second thing here is, , did the guy end up aligning himself over this relationship? , yes, he did. He ended up, , jumping off a. [01:02:00] Ledge.

At 1980, February 14th. So, yes, it is true. That Harvey milk was a PDA file. , was this 16 year old who later ended up. , jumping. As a result of this.

Curtis Yarvin: and, I don't know, like, you know, like, like, you know, here's the thing, here's the thing, in Chinese history, Okay. In Chinese history, whenever you have a regime change in, in Chinese history, that's a, that's a change of dynasty.

Malcolm Collins: And

Curtis Yarvin: there was a sort of, that happened enough that there's sort of a kind of meta dynasties regime in a way sprung up in China where they were like, this was how you handled that. Every dynasty was supposed to be eternal, of course, but this is how you handled that. And the way you handle that is the first thing that every new regime, every new dynasty does.

Okay. It's higher, basically more historians than God in order to write the history of the previous dinosaur.

Simone Collins: Yes, of course. Which of

Curtis Yarvin: course is born gloriously and finishes and born neutrally, really, like [01:03:00] you can praise it, you can, but it finishes in like complete ignominy. Okay. And right, you know, the point is that when it comes time for the future to describe the present.

It ain't gonna be hard. You know, it ain't gonna be hard.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, we win. I can look at who's having kids and I can be like, I know what the history books are going to say about the president. It's going to be non charitable in the extreme about the people who

Curtis Yarvin: yeah, it's going to basically say it's going to be like very simple.

Like there were, you know, white people build big ruin, all gone big ruin, you know, Well, I'm full of decaying bats. And, and, you know, then, you know,

Malcolm Collins: over there,

Curtis Yarvin: Amish country, bad, no go, you know, I, I

Malcolm Collins: think [01:04:00] that the locusts in the urban monoculture are going to be treated in history the same way that the Germans are treated in Roman history.

It's like yeah, there were these people who kept attacking us randomly, but they're basically savages write them out of history

Curtis Yarvin: Well, no, actually if you look at the way tacitus treats the germans, it's actually somewhat different from that because tacitus is actually recognizing as well as the barbarity of the germans who's recognizing their superiority And he's basically sees like wow, these germans are faithful to their wives The way we Romans used to be.

Wow, they actually remind us a lot about the way legend tells us we Romans were in like 600 BC. Right? Actually, modern anthropology has basically figured out that this is true, and this is because the Romans in 600 BC were basically f*****g Yamnaya, six foot six blonde gods from the steppes, right? Like the Germans of his day.

And, you know, they just got diluted by , what the Nordic people's called the thrall cast. Right. [01:05:00] And, and so, you know, actually, when you look at basically who fits that description today, you know, what sort of. foreign and like deeply alien people do we see today that are in some ways superior to us?

How could we write a kind of new Cassidus? And then I'm like, Well, I can always start talking about the Moscow Metro, you know,

I have no idea what the Moscow Metro is a clean subway in Moscow, which is a place in Russia. Okay. It is a clean, attractive subway.

Simone Collins: He's referring to the actual Moscow Metro. It's not like a euphemism. It's just I

Curtis Yarvin: would basically be like, you know, Wow, these people are really kind of barbaric in some ways, but you know, in other ways, they, they actually kind of seem superior.

Simone Collins: Dude, anything compared to Bart, I'm sorry, is going to look like you can eat off [01:06:00] the floors. I just don't know what to say.

Curtis Yarvin: Well, you've been to New York, right? I'm sorry, but you've been to New York, you can't eat off the floors in New York. Okay, okay, touche, touche. But even in Paris, you know, it's like you even compare the Paris metro to the Moscow metro and you know, I'm, I'm hardly setting foreign policy for the new Trump administration that will obviously be, be set by checks phone Marco Rubio.

You know, however you know, if I was you know, somehow appointed as secretary of state, which seems quite unlikely at this point you know, I think I have a somewhat tacit it's inspired. Maybe it's inspired more by Charles Morass. I don't know. But you know, my, my foreign policy is very simple toward Russia.

I believe that we should draw a red line in the sand. It's actually, it's a very strong policy. People have accused me of being a Russia simp. This is not true at all. Okay. I believe that we need that the president, the incoming president needs to make a strong statement to Vladimir Putin. He needs to say, [01:07:00] we've drawn a line in the sand and beyond this line, Mr.

Putin, no, no aggression will stand. We

Malcolm Collins: said that to Saddam

Curtis Yarvin: Hussein, by the way, do you want to be in a spider hole like Saddam? Didn't think so. Right. So beyond this line, no aggression will stand. And you know, and when I say that line, it reminds me of a number, another great line in American history by another great president, also very charismatic man, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

And I, in 1937, something like that, he said this thing to reporters, which he later denied, but he definitely did say it. He said, America's frontier is on the rise. How does that sound? America's frontier is on the line. So, so we're doing it by rivers. So we're doing it, we're doing it by rivers or at least bodies of water here.

So, you know, if you look at kind of the current policy, the policy of my predecessor, we might say, America's frontiers on the Dnieper, or excuse me, Dnipro. You know, so you could, you could go that far. Okay but you know, that's even farther than Iran. [01:08:00] Now, you know, my view is farther east. Now, my view is, you know, times have changed.

It's a different world. It's not 1945 anymore. And I think I know where America has to draw her red line against Russian aggression. That's an English channel. Okay, and when I say the English channel, like, I mean the English channel, you know, for example,

Simone Collins: Oh my god.

Curtis Yarvin: Hitler crossed that line. Hitler, most people don't know that Hitler took Jersey.

Not New Jersey, but Sark. Okay, so, the thing is, when I say the channel, I mean the channel. Hands off Sark, Mr. Putin. Okay, if one, one Russian No Sark. You draw the line at Sark. I draw the line at Sark, the airspace at Sark, we will shoot it down. We will shoot it down, Mr. Putin. But the thing is, do you want to clean up Paris?

Malcolm Collins: Ehhhhh. Ehhhhh. I mean, you're

gonna get, Malcolm's gonna have to agree. He's not a big fan of the show. How anti German we are and how anti French we are. And I'm like, but why would we save them? [01:09:00] Like, what have they given us in the past 50

years? And

they're like, well, the German people have a great, and I'm like, yeah, and the great ones left.

Curtis Yarvin: No, no, no, no, no. I totally disagree with that. I think two things, cars and wine. Okay. And also the space program. Let's not forget, let not forget wine. You know, when American, an American set foot on the moon. That's true. He was an American although he was a white man, but you know, it was a Nazi space program looked at on the moon, you know, directed by the same direct of One Brown, you know, and so like basically directed by, they say, wait

Malcolm Collins: is the same people?

Curtis Yarvin: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The army tried to have a program of their own, but their first rocket crashed and they were just like, we're going to park a couple of hundred Nazi rocket scientists and Allah f*****g Bama, you know, and not give them access to any Jews or anything. And they're going to put a man on the moon.

An American on the moon, you know, but like a very blonde, you know, like, like not looking [01:10:00] American.

The American space program, the Apollo program, it was directed by Venovan Brown. That's like, you know, the Tom Lehrer lyrics, like, you know, as the rockets go up, who knows where they come down. It's not my debauchment. It was literally the director of both the V2 program and the Apollo program.

Simone Collins: Oh, there you go.

Malcolm. That and Givers Treminer. Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: there you go. That and Givers Treminer, right? You know, you have too many. You are.

Curtis Yarvin: All this stuff is on Wikipedia. Right. You know,

Simone Collins: he brings receipts. Malcolm. That's the problem. I show you the receipts. The

Curtis Yarvin: receipts are real. It's just nobody sort of thinks about it.

Like, you know, nobody thinks that basically like, you know, Oh, in the sixties, what is the sixties? The Apollo program and the civil rights. Okay. Realizing that the Apollo program is actually Nazi and the civil rights is literally Nazi. And the civil [01:11:00] rights movement is literally communist. It's just like beyond anyone's ken when they process this period and yet it's literally true It's two clicks away in wikipedia.

I can't right there communists and fascists in different senses true, but like, you know like, as you know, so so it's The

Malcolm Collins: past

Curtis Yarvin: isn't dead it isn't even past

Malcolm Collins: I'm talking to an actual thought criminal here. Yeah. I wanna, I wanna be clear that we don't endorse any, absolutely not, absolutely not anything. You can research yourself.

Curtis Yarvin: You're just, you just have, you know, respectable, clean that's us. I mean, not you know, the thing is, you know, there's no.

There's no, can we say the word, there's no such thing as eugenics. Okay. Eugenics is just an absence of dysgenics. It's not a belief. It's the absence of the belief. You know, and, and, and this is another thing from cladistics. It's called the negative [01:12:00] predicate. Basically you don't want to say, Oh, this is a type of animal that doesn't fly.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Curtis Yarvin: We're not,

Malcolm Collins: not birds. We're humans. We're not,

Curtis Yarvin: not birds. We're humans, right? We're not genetically

Malcolm Collins: retarded. We're genetically not retarded.

Curtis Yarvin: Well indeed. Indeed. And as you know, let me, let me leave you with a couple of different observations. Maybe I've shared this one. Okay. Maybe this is an observation that you've heard before, but you know, as you know, a lot of people believe this old American idea that all all men are, are created equal.

Right? Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just like, what if that's not well, you know, what if it's like true in a sense, but we could make it truer

Malcolm Collins: and I came

Curtis Yarvin: up with a way to make it truer. Okay. And that is we could instead we could say all identical twins are created equal. Isn't that true? That's really, really true.

It is so good. Again, it's not on the margins, there's some differences, right? You can tell them apart. Let me leave you with something else, which is, since we've talked about [01:13:00] history, this is a very short haiku written about 30 years ago on the internet by some friends of mine. I forget who wrote it. I didn't write it.

And like all haiku, It needs to start with the essential first line of a haiku, which is the most cliched line possible, which is, Fairy Blossoms Fall. Of course. Of course. So let me leave you with a short, yet resonant haiku that you'll probably not forget.

Cherry blossoms fall, three shots, 6. 9 seconds, rains in Jackie's lap.

Simone Collins: Oh my god. Oh!

Malcolm Collins: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Curtis Yarvin: We need

Malcolm Collins: to, we need to go. I need to get the kid. Simone, stop laughing. I know you're enjoying that Curtis on the show. You are a friend of the family. Your

Curtis Yarvin: kids are awesome. Alright, alright, alright. And it's so

Malcolm Collins: weird that [01:14:00] we haven't had you on yet.

And we'll be, Hey, we're gonna be, you know, CNN only got 500 10, 000 viewers on election

day.

So, you know, getting 10, 000 viewers per episode ain't so bad.

That's bad. All right. All right.

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