

Zach Mack on Trying to Rescue His Father from ‘Alternate Realities’
Apr 4, 2025
Zach Mack, host of Vox Media's "Alternate Realities," shares his personal journey as he attempts to rescue his father from the depths of conspiracy theories, even betting him $10,000 on outrageous beliefs. Joined by Dr. Joe Pierre, a UCSF psychiatrist, they discuss the emotional turmoil of navigating family dynamics impacted by misinformation. Topics include strategies for empathy in conversing with loved ones trapped in conspiratorial thinking, the effects of social isolation on beliefs, and the importance of patience and understanding.
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The Bet
- Zach Mack's father, consumed by apocalyptic predictions, challenged him to a $10,000 bet.
- He believed an EMP attack would disrupt infrastructure and necessitate storing food and water.
Roots of Distrust
- Zach Mack's father's distrust of institutions stemmed from childhood experiences with vaccine mandates.
- This distrust, coupled with internet access and pandemic misinformation, fueled his conspiratorial thinking.
Bridging the Gap
- The strained relationship between Zach and his father improved during the podcast.
- The bet and podcast provided a new platform for communication and understanding.