Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Taylor Swift’s Trad Turn

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Oct 29, 2025
In a thought-provoking discussion, Ross Douthat analyzes Taylor Swift's album, suggesting it encapsulates the cultural contradictions of the Trump era. He shares his personal struggles as a conservative dad listening to explicit lyrics, noting how the music blends traditional values with a coarse edge. Douthat highlights how some progressive fans feel disappointed, arguing Swift nudges listeners toward conservative ideas. He contemplates the sustainability of the uneasy alliance between traditionalism and vulgarity, drawing parallels to historical societal norms.
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INSIGHT

Raunchy Conservatism Mirrors Politics

  • Ross Douthat argues The Life of a Showgirl mixes raunch with conservative themes, reflecting a cultural shift in the Trump era.
  • He suggests this mix mirrors today's right-wing coalition that is traditionalist yet coarse and sexually frank.
ANECDOTE

Minivan Listener And Family Limits

  • Douthat recounts being the family minivan driver and listening to Swift by proxy, exposing him to coarse lyrics he dislikes.
  • He uses a specific lyric about her fiancé's anatomy to explain why he won't play certain songs for his kids.
INSIGHT

Trad Aspirations Beside Explicit Content

  • The album pairs conservative aspirations like marriage and suburbia with explicit sexual content and vulgarity.
  • Douthat links this artistic mix to a broader cultural phenomenon where traditional values coexist with coarse behavior.
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