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Jul 31, 2025 • 48min
The DOGE Alum Asking if Foreign Aid Is America’s Problem
Jeremy Lewin, a former Department of Government Efficiency staffer and deputy administrator for USAID, sheds light on the transformation of U.S. foreign aid under the Trump administration. He explores the moral obligations America faces globally and critiques USAID's evolving focus. The discussion touches on controversial cuts to humanitarian aid, contrasting U.S. strategies with China's approach in Africa, and the importance of aligning aid with national interests while fostering genuine partnerships. Lewin advocates for a vision that balances values and America's geopolitical goals.

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Jul 24, 2025 • 60min
What if the Government Believes in U.F.O.s More Than You Do?
Diana Walsh Pasulka, a religious studies professor and author of American Cosmic, explores the intriguing intersection of UFO phenomena and spirituality. She discusses her research into Catholic archives and how it connects to modern UFO beliefs, including telepathic communication and the 'hitchhiker effect.' Pasulka also delves into government secrecy surrounding UFO encounters and how narratives shape public perceptions. The conversation highlights a cultural shift towards viewing extraterrestrial experiences as a new form of belief, inviting us to embrace the mysteries of the cosmos.

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Jul 19, 2025 • 59min
She Exposed Epstein, and Shares MAGA’s Anger
Julie K. Brown, an investigative reporter for the Miami Herald, uncovered the dark saga of Jeffrey Epstein, leading to his re-arrest. In this captivating discussion, she shares insights into Epstein's extensive network, hinting he didn't act alone. Brown reveals the flawed plea deal that minimized his crimes and discusses the chilling impact on his victims. She also tackles the troubling relationship between Epstein and elite figures, and the role of government accountability in the aftermath. The political ramifications, including ties to Trump, add further intrigue.

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Apr 6, 2025 • 3min
Introducing ‘Interesting Times’
This podcast dives into the complexities of our rapidly changing world. It tackles the implications of the Trump presidency and the COVID-19 pandemic on our societal fabric. Listeners will explore the future of democracy as American influence shifts. The conversation also ventures into how culture—movies and books—will evolve in an era dominated by digital technology and AI. Each discussion promises thought-provoking insights into our current and future realities.