Lydia Polgreen, a prominent journalist, and David French, a noted legal commentator, dive into the current political landscape and the surprisingly muted resistance to Trump's second term. They explore the shift from passionate protests to a quieter outcry, questioning effective means of opposition today. The duo also dissects the influence of public sentiment on political action, the challenges within the Democratic Party, and the complex dynamics of political coalitions. Their insights offer a thought-provoking look at democracy and resistance in modern America.

Steve Bannon, the chief strategist for Donald Trump during his first term and a key figure in the MAGA movement, shares his insights on evolving populism within the Republican Party. He discusses the conflict between traditional populism and the influence of tech oligarchs like Elon Musk. Bannon critiques the superficial understanding of populism and its historical roots, while highlighting the disconnection between political rhetoric and economic policy post-Trump. He also addresses geopolitical tensions and the challenges of navigating the technological landscape.

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