What fuels your entrepreneurial spirit? The key lies in having a robust support system. This week, Anne & Lau talk about the indispensable role of support in the journey of entrepreneurship. They explore how the encouragement from our loved ones serves as a pillar of strength during challenging times, and discuss ways to navigate situations where support is shaky or absent. They also dive into the essence of financial independence and the peace it can infuse into relationships. Unraveling the secret to keeping your business finances organized and the wonders of a dedicated workspace, they guide you on a path of entrepreneurial success. Entrepreneurship can often feel like a lonely journey, but remember Bosses, you're not alone! Transcript It’s time to take your business to the next level, the BOSS level! These are the premiere Business Owner Strategies and Successes being utilized by the industry’s top talent today. Rock your business like a BOSS, a VO BOSS! Now let’s welcome your host, Anne Ganguzza. Anne Ganguzza: Hey everyone, welcome to the VO BOSS Podcast. I'm your host, Anne Gangusa, and I am here with the one and only, most beautiful, Lau Lapides. Lau Lapides: Oh, thank you Anne. Hey Anne Ganguzza: Hey, Lau. Lau Lapides: everyone. Wonderful to see ya. Anne Ganguzza: Law, I've been very reflective this week. Lau Lapides: Oh, Anne Ganguzza: Yes. Lau Lapides: I love that chair. Anne Ganguzza: Very reflective because I was thinking about, oh gosh, I've just been reading. There's so much chaos out there in social media and stuff, and I was thinking to myself, I feel so lucky to have my supportive group that supports me in my business. I know that not everybody has that. Lau Lapides: Mmm. Anne Ganguzza: And I thought we should talk about your VO support group, people that support you, and especially people close to you and your family. I don't know where I would be if my husband did not support this endeavor of mine, because it really does, it really takes, I think it takes courage because... Being an entrepreneur, running your own business, it's so much different than the corporate life that I used to lead where Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: I just got paid every other week and I could depend on that paycheck. And I know that the way that this industry just kind of is up and down and crazy, it takes a lot for Lau Lapides: Yeah, yeah. Anne Ganguzza: someone to support that. Lau Lapides: And gratitude is great. And Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: we really have to have, honestly, we have to have gratitude. It's so important to just celebrate the moments that we do share with our loved ones, our family, our friends, our colleagues, our really our circle, you know, our inner circle, our Anne Ganguzza: Mm. Lau Lapides: outer circle that really helps support us. And like reflect as you said, where would we be? without these people would we be where we are? And I'm going to be even non-PC for a moment and say, where would we be without these people simply tolerating us? Like think about that. Like what person slash woman you know would even say such a thing. But the truth is it's hard. It's a hard life in a lot of ways. Anne Ganguzza: Mmm, so Lau Lapides: And Anne Ganguzza: many Lau Lapides: it's Anne Ganguzza: ways. Lau Lapides: difficult. And we show the stress of it at times. Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: We show the impatience, we show the fast moving, we show the exhaustion. And to have that group, that circle, not only support it, but tolerate it, Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: when they may not be experiencing that, they may not live that kind of lifestyle, they may not even understand it, but yet they're tolerating it, they're welcoming it, and then they're building you up. That is unbelievable when you have that on your Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: side. Anne Ganguzza: yeah. And I think there's so much that as bosses, right, that we don't anticipate having to experience or know or, I guess, go through when you own your own company. There's just so many things that I think, I don't know if you can prepare yourself. Do you know what I mean? You can prepare yourself for, you know, I guess technically, right? You Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: know, oh, it takes, these are the steps that you need to, you know, create a business entity. These are the steps you need to market your business. These are the steps. So there's these technical steps that we follow, but then if things don't go the way that we hope them to go, right, Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: that can just throw a whole wrench into... the business and in your mental outlook. And that is something that I think I was unprepared for, the uncertainties of it and handling the uncertainties of that. And then of course, anybody that supports me Lau Lapides: Mmm. Anne Ganguzza: has to go through all these emotions with me. And that is asking a lot. So again, I'm very, very grateful that I do have that support. And bosses, I mean, I know this is difficult, and you may not even know, right? Down the road, what sort of things could happen that might, I don't know, change the way that your support system feels about voiceover or being a voiceover entrepreneur, and especially these days with the disruptive technologies that are out there. I can't imagine, I do know that there's a lot of people that are... uncertain about what's happening in the future. And so I think their support system is also like seeing that, reading that. How do you, what would you say for people that aren't experiencing support from their family? What can they do? Lau Lapides: Gosh, I was just about to ask you, this is the rhetorical question of the day is like, what do we do when we don't have the support or when we feel completely alone or when we have a partner or a spouse Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: or even a child or even a best friend that is sabotaging your dreams Anne Ganguzza: Mm. Lau Lapides: or Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: getting in the way, maybe they're sucking all the time. the energy from you. Maybe they're dragging you down in the Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: mud with their own problems, maybe, right? And you think, Anne Ganguzza: Yeah? Lau Lapides: wow, who is there with me to go on this journey and really help me through, support me through this? I don't really have that many Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: people to do that. And I think there are a couple things that we can do to sort of band-aid that situation. I'm not Anne Ganguzza: Mm-mm. Lau Lapides: so sure you can ever totally fix it, but the one thing I would like to suggest, and I have a few clients like this too, sneaking around the bushes so that their husband doesn't find out Anne Ganguzza: Mm. Lau Lapides: that they're spending the little bit of tertiary income on Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: on lessons. Anne Ganguzza: coaching or yeah. Lau Lapides: I say listen you know um it's easy for me to say listen just be brave and just tell them and just Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: you know stand up to it but I'm not in that relationship and Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: I don't know the the dynamics of what's going on so in essence I don't really have the right to say that one thing I can say that has worked for me in many times of my life is If there is someone that is not working out, they're not positive minded, they don't have the forward thinking, upward mobility energy Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: that Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. 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Lau Lapides: They're not going to be. forefront in my life because I have to keep my goals alive. And finding those, we talked about this once before, those growth people. Where are Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: those growth people Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: that can help me through that I can soundboard to, that I can vent to, that I can learn from, that can help me grow and also validate me? Like Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: really validate the choices. So finding whether it's an accountability group or self-help group Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: or just a friend that is also working on a career where they're Anne Ganguzza: where they're Lau Lapides: moving Anne Ganguzza: moving Lau Lapides: up, Anne Ganguzza: up Lau Lapides: but Anne Ganguzza: but Lau Lapides: others Anne Ganguzza: others Lau Lapides: are Anne Ganguzza: are. Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: holding them down, is to help each other grow and get to the next step. Anne Ganguzza: Right, right. Lau Lapides: Get a buddy. Anne Ganguzza: And I, well, I'll tell you what, and I think that that's absolutely something that if you are not getting support, let's say from your spouse or significant other, that I think is almost critical for you to, you know, to survive in the industry. Because I know I've had a few people that I know where their spouses were not in support and consistently Lau Lapides: Yeah, Anne Ganguzza: were dragging them down. Lau Lapides: I have two. Anne Ganguzza: consistently demanding, you know, where's the money going? Why are you not making any money? You know, you need to help support the family, get a real income, or whatever it is, right? It's hard enough to run your own business and to deal with the uncertainties that you face with your own, maybe, insecurities, in maybe, I'm not familiar with this territory, and I need to learn more, and I need to, you know, what do I need to do to make it? to make it successful, let alone having the people around you, right, trying to bring you down or sabotage you, as you mentioned. So Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: that's Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: very difficult. So it's super important to have that support somewhere to keep you lifted up and to keep your momentum going forward Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: in that situation. Lau Lapides: And you know what I've seen too, more often than not, that the family or the close people to this Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: person, it's not that they're unsupportive or they're against them. It's just they're not actively or proactively doing things to make their path easier. So Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: I'll give you an example. A mom who's got children, whether they're young children or whether they're teenage children, whatever. I've heard this from several of my clients, like it took forever. And like, don't you have a setup? Where's your studio? Where's your Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: desk? Are you setting up a mic? Months and months and months and months would go by. I'd say, what's going on? It's not a money issue. No, it's just, you know, I can't find space in my house. You know, my Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: kid needs the space for football and my other kid needs the space for this. Then my husband wants the space for his disc. And then Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: and I said, well, wait a second. Where's your space? Where's your studio? Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: Where's Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: your identity? So it's that idea of that liberation and that freedom and that courage to say, I count too, I matter too. This is not the only role I play Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm, Lau Lapides: as mom Anne Ganguzza: mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: or dad, Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Mom or, Lau Lapides: since Anne Ganguzza: do Lau Lapides: we have Anne Ganguzza: you have Lau Lapides: a lot Anne Ganguzza: a spouse? Lau Lapides: of dads Anne Ganguzza: Yep, Lau Lapides: at Anne Ganguzza: mm-hmm, Lau Lapides: home too. Anne Ganguzza: yep. Lau Lapides: Dad, I'm not only dad, I'm not only a breadwinner. I'm someone who's a creative, I'm an Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: artist, and I wanna be a talent, and I'm moving towards this. So I have to have the respect zone Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: of Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: my Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: space and really claim that. That's actually, I've seen that a lot, Ann. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: I've seen Anne Ganguzza: yeah. Lau Lapides: that more often than not. Anne Ganguzza: Oh, absolutely. And it makes it doubly hard or triple difficult for, I think, these people to gain traction in the industry because it's almost like they have to prove themselves before they'll get any support. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: You know, well, when are you going to get a voice-over job? I mean, when are you going to book something? That kind of a thing. And so it's always an uphill climb to get that space, that recording space, to get that that, you know, they have to either go out and get a part-time job so they can make money so they can pay for coaching, so they can get a demo. But I'll tell you what, I would say that the majority of my clients who I have found that have done that and have persevered. through that have been some of the most successful Lau Lapides: Yes. Anne Ganguzza: voiceover businesses that I know now because they have the resilience Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: and they had the commitment and through it all they persevered. and were Lau Lapides: Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: able to finally, you know, and not only prove to themselves, but end up proving to any of the members of the family that we're not necessarily as supportive as they could have been, that this is a viable career. It is a viable, you know, it is a viable thing for me to do and to make money at it. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. And you just said it earlier, you know, don't just ask, ask. You got to give too. So don't just ask for space and what you need. Be willing to work a little harder. Be willing to work Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: extra. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: One suggestion I'd like to make too that seems kind of like, oh, but isn't that like a 1952 thing? No, it's not. I'm not suggesting to separate all of your finances in your life. That's how Anne Ganguzza: Mm. Lau Lapides: whatever you're gonna do with your spouse, with your partner is what you're gonna do. But I'm just talking about our career, your career, your space as a talent, have separate finances. And that way, not only can Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: you track for your tax purposes and your studio expenses, and it keeps it really clean for your bookkeeper and your accountants at the Anne Ganguzza: Yep, Lau Lapides: end of Anne Ganguzza: absolutely. Lau Lapides: the year, but it also keeps this anonymity or privacy about not having to ask permission of the other all the time Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: to get what you need or what you want for your career. Like Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: that should be your choice and your independent choice and if it comes down to money, well maybe you do need to get another Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: side job or another Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: hustle or Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: another whatever so that you can have that privacy ready to go when you need it rather than depending on allowances Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: from others. Anne Ganguzza: And I love that you said that. And I think honestly, if you want to talk about the single biggest thing that I think that is lacking from the clients who don't get the support from their significant other spouse, it is the financial aspect of it. And so yeah, and I always look before there was even voiceover. Lau Lapides: Hmm? Anne Ganguzza: I don't know what it was, but personally when I got married, I always had my own account. I had my account, you know, I was on my own before I met my husband. We met each other late in life. And so I, you know, I had my own account. I owned a house and that kind of thing. And what I love about that is it made me financially independent. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: And I was able to, when my husband and I got married, I just said, well, I'm keeping my account and you keep your account and we'll just have a joint account that we both will Lau Lapides: Yeah, Anne Ganguzza: put Lau Lapides: yeah, Anne Ganguzza: in. Lau Lapides: yeah. Anne Ganguzza: But nothing has to go into the main account unless we decide to put it in. We both kept separate accounts. And I was able to keep track. And first of all, it makes it super easy when you are creating a business, right, to keep your Lau Lapides: Yes. Anne Ganguzza: business finances separate. Lau Lapides: Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: And that's kind of cool because any of you that might have trouble explaining, Why do you need a separate account? Well, it's a business, right? So therefore Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: you have a separate account. You can do whatever you need to do to put money in that account so that you can make investments, take the money out of that account for coaching, demos, studio space, whatever it is that you need to grow your business. And I think that that has really been something that for me, I mean... They say that a lot of couples argue, and money is the number one thing that they might argue about. I can't say that I've ever argued about money Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: since having an independent account. And Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: having the respect that I have one, my spouse has one, and we also have a joint account that we throw money in, if we want to take a vacation, or we want to landscape the backyard, or whatever it might be, Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: we... put into that account, but there's Lau Lapides: That's Anne Ganguzza: no expectations. Lau Lapides: right. Anne Ganguzza: And I think Lau Lapides: That's Anne Ganguzza: that's Lau Lapides: right. Anne Ganguzza: such a great suggestion law for anybody that might be experiencing difficulties or lack of support from a significant other, is just go and open that business account, right? Because you need one anyways, in order to incorporate or run that business efficiently and effectively. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. And then this was a running joke between one of my colleagues and myself at my studio. It was like, well, I literally, law, literally could not find any space in my house for my studio. I Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: couldn't, it either had a technical issue or my kids were there or the Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: TV was on or the dogs were there. I said, great. Now you need to get a she shed. Anne Ganguzza: Yes, absolutely, as Lau Lapides: Or Anne Ganguzza: she Lau Lapides: a Anne Ganguzza: said. Lau Lapides: he shed Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: or a they Anne Ganguzza: Uh, Lau Lapides: shed. I Anne Ganguzza: yep. Lau Lapides: don't care what pronoun Anne Ganguzza: Yep. Lau Lapides: you use, but you need Anne Ganguzza: Yep. Lau Lapides: a shed. Anne Ganguzza: You need a pronoun shed. Lau Lapides: Yes, you need a pronoun shed that is an independent structure that stands on its own separate from your dwelling Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: Because I am a person of no excuses. I just don't think there's an excuse for not being able to work I think Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: like if you Anne Ganguzza: yeah. Lau Lapides: have a problem fix it like Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: make it into this well, but it's expensive Well, it's an investment. It's Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: a write-off. Anne Ganguzza: right. Lau Lapides: It's not a cost, it's a write-off. And it's your private space. Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm, Lau Lapides: You can decorate Anne Ganguzza: absolutely. Lau Lapides: it. You can put up whatever you need to put up. You can scream. You can do Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: yourself tapes. You can do your MP3s. And it's freedom for you. And I think that if you can't find anything in your apartment or anything anywhere, they say, wait a second, I don't own the land law. I'm in an apartment. What do I do there? Well, Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: think about that. Where can you go? that you can either build something Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: or you can rent something by the hour. Now Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: people are dying to get you into their podcast spaces and their audio spaces to rent by the hour because so many people are at home that Anne Ganguzza: that Lau Lapides: they Anne Ganguzza: they Lau Lapides: can't even Anne Ganguzza: can't Lau Lapides: rent. Anne Ganguzza: even rent. Lau Lapides: You can Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: go to places like workspaces and staples Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: and Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: all sorts of places really cheaply. and rent by the hour. I mean, is Anne Ganguzza: Is Lau Lapides: it a fix forever? No, but Anne Ganguzza: it a fix forever? Lau Lapides: it's Anne Ganguzza: No. Yeah. Lau Lapides: in the interim, Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: it's good Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: now until you figure out your next move. Like Anne Ganguzza: Absolutely. Lau Lapides: there's always an answer to Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: that. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, there's always a solution. I truly believe there is always a solution, if you want it bad enough, right? I mean, Lau Lapides: Hehe, Anne Ganguzza: gosh, Lau Lapides: yeah. Anne Ganguzza: we travel and we record in hotels. So Lau Lapides: Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: pillow forts. I mean, there is a solution, pillow forts. Uh. and the right mic and the right interface will get you, you know, a place, your car. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: If you can go to the car, that can be a studio. So I think where there's a will, there's a way. And I will say that, you know, having that, definitely having that independent financial account that allows you to, you know. draw upon that for investment into your she shed, into your renting of a studio, or your rig that allows you to go to the car to record and do your auditions. Whatever that might be, I think that there is a solution for it. And in the interim, I think it just, the tenacity and just keeping through it, making sure that you have support somewhere. that can keep you lifted up, going towards, heading towards your goal. I think that's just very, very important. There's a lot of wonderful supportive communities here. At VOBoss here, we're here to support you. Accountability groups are amazing. Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: Community groups are amazing. Lots of great Facebook groups out there. I've got my VOP's group and Law, you've got your group Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: as well. And, you know... And Bev Stani has the water cooler group, which is just kind of fun if you want to get together with other voice of artists. I know there's so many wonderful accountability groups that can really help in that situation. And yeah, I mean, I Lau Lapides: I Anne Ganguzza: think Lau Lapides: think Anne Ganguzza: there's... Lau Lapides: too, Ann, along with that, like hand in hand, depending on what your belief system is, sometimes you need spiritual groups as well. Anne Ganguzza: Mmm, mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: Sometimes you need people that are going to lift your spirit, whether you're religious or not Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: religious, whether you wanna talk mystical or not, but you find the right match for yourself that helps you build the courage up, that if you are Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: alone and on your own and you're Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: isolated and you're not accepted in the family, your friends circle, that there are groups out there that are going to help lift you up as a person, not Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: just as a talent, but as a human being in the world to give you courage. And one more tip I got for you too is, and we will all want to do this, we have to be really guarded about it, like don't overshare. Be careful. Anne Ganguzza: Mmm. Lau Lapides: Don't overshare with people Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: that you know are going to tear you down. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: They're going to put up the walls as to why you can't, shouldn't. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: not supposed to do things, Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: don't share too much with those people. Let the sharing go to the people who are like-minded, people who are going Anne Ganguzza: Sure. Lau Lapides: to raise your spirit, Anne Ganguzza: Absolutely. Lau Lapides: raise your vibration, and get you excited about it versus Anne Ganguzza: Mm. Lau Lapides: the people who are going to give you every reason in the book why not to do it. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and why you can't and why you won't succeed. Absolutely. Lau Lapides: Yeah. Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: So, yeah, absolutely. What's the wonderful advice law? Lau Lapides: So exciting, right? Like where there's a will, there's a way, but it's really true, there Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: is. There's Anne Ganguzza: Yeah. Lau Lapides: always a way to do things that you love to and want to and deserve to do. And just having the knowledge of like, write down your mantras, write down Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: your affirmations every morning, stick them on your fridge or wherever you stick them and say, I deserve this. I need this. I want this. I matter. And just believe it. Anne Ganguzza: Absolutely. Lau Lapides: And then you'll get it if you believe it. Anne Ganguzza: And guys, I'm going to say, like, this just transcends even just voiceover industry. This is for anything that you want to do, Lau Lapides: Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: right? As entrepreneurs, as bosses, I mean, whether it's voiceover or something else that is aligned with voiceover or acting or whatever it may be, I truly believe that you can... you can get the support where there's a will, there's a way. And I love that you brought up the spiritual aspect of it too, because it is so personal, right? It does affect us being an entrepreneur, and not just a voiceover actor, not just an actor, but being an entrepreneur and running your own business and having a dream and pursuing that dream. It is something so personal to us that, you know, it- It transcends just voiceover groups or voiceover, you know, accountability groups or Facebook groups. It really, you just need to have the people that can help lift you up no matter where. Lau Lapides: Yeah. Anne Ganguzza: No matter where you get that. And, you know, spiritually is amazing, is an amazing source Lau Lapides: Mm-hmm. Anne Ganguzza: of being able to have a group of people that can lift you up and support you when you need. Lau Lapides: Yeah, and give yourself that little bit of extra self-care Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: that you may need, that you may Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: be missing in your life, whether it's a massage treatment or Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: an extra whatever, so that you've got that extra bit of health, of mindset, of balance that you need to get stronger and find the right people to get on your side. And you'll absolutely do it. People have come from really, really challenging backgrounds Anne Ganguzza: Oh yeah. Lau Lapides: with nothing and have become everything. Anne Ganguzza: Mm-hmm. Lau Lapides: So it really is mind over matter for sure. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, yeah. What a great discussion, Law. Lau Lapides: Beautiful. Anne Ganguzza: Yeah, Lau Lapides: I loved Anne Ganguzza: we have Lau Lapides: it. Anne Ganguzza: the faith in you, bosses. We definitely, Lau Lapides: We do. Anne Ganguzza: we have faith in you. And again, VOBoss, we're here for you guys. And, you know, go out there and believe in yourself. Find people that will help support and lift you up. And yeah, I love it. I love it. And Lau Lapides: You can do it. Anne Ganguzza: guys, as individuals, it may seem difficult to make a huge impact, but as a group, We can certainly contribute to the growth of our communities in ways that we never thought possible. Visit 100VoicesWhoCare.org to learn how. Also a big shout out to our sponsor, IPDTL. You too can network and connect like bosses using amazing technology. Find out more at IPDTL.com. You guys have a great week and we'll see you next week. Bye. Lau Lapides: See you next week.