

Brené Brown and Kate Crawford on Artificial Intelligence and the Human Spirit
Oct 1, 2025
Brené Brown, a research professor known for her work on courage and empathy, joins Kate Crawford, an AI scholar and author, to explore the profound impacts of artificial intelligence on human connection. They discuss how AI, driven by exploitation and material extraction, can lead to feelings of emptiness. Brené critiques reassuring platitudes that oversimplify human traits, while Kate highlights the risks of cognitive outsourcing. Together, they advocate for authentic connections and the importance of discernment in navigating an AI-driven world.
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AI Is Materially Extractive
- AI is one of the most materially extractive industries, consuming minerals, energy, and human data at scale.
- Kate Crawford shows AI's physical and cultural toll undercuts the notion of an ethereal "cloud" industry.
Extraction Leaves People Hollowed Out
- The AI ecosystem is extractive, uses invisible human labor, and often offers brute-force computation not true creativity.
- Brené Brown connects those features to a collective feeling of being "hollowed out."
Treat AI As A Democratic Choice
- Demand democratic participation in shaping AI and its guardrails instead of accepting inevitability.
- Advocate for regulation and safety measures now rather than waiting for catastrophic failures.