In this engaging conversation, Australian filmmaker Justin Kurzel dives into his fascination with outlaws and societal upheaval. He shares insights on his latest film, 'The Order', and the significance of casting Marc in a pivotal role. Justin discusses the challenges of storytelling in film, particularly around complex characters and their real-life inspirations. The dialogue also touches on the dark landscapes of Australian cinema, exploring themes of ambition and the legacy of figures like Ned Kelly. Justin's passion for nuanced narratives shines through.