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#74 – Sonia Ben Ouagrham-Gormley on Barriers to Bioweapons

Dec 19, 2023
Sonia Ben Ouagrham-Gormley, an associate professor at George Mason University and Deputy Director of their Biodefense Program, discusses the barriers to bioweapon development, including the misconception that they are easy to make. She explores the challenges in acquiring and manipulating pathogens, the importance of tacit knowledge, and the risks and benefits of new technologies like AI. She calls for nuanced analysis, accurate risk assessment, and measures to prevent misuse.
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Quick takeaways

  • Bio-weapons are not easy to produce and the narrative suggesting otherwise lacks a comprehensive understanding of the challenges involved.
  • Acquiring expertise for bio-weapons involves tacit knowledge gained through firsthand experience and collaboration, which is difficult to verbalize.

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The Misconception of Bio-Weapons: Challenging the View of Easy Production

Bio-weapons are often mistakenly believed to be easy to produce, stemming from the application of a framework developed for nuclear weapons to the field of biology. Unlike nuclear weapons, bio-weapons do not require specific material access or expensive technology. Instead, the key barrier to bio-weapon development is the acquisition of knowledge. This knowledge is not easily obtained, as it relies on expertise that is distinct from civilian biology. The transfer of this tacit knowledge, gained through firsthand experimentation and experience, is difficult to verbalize and often relies on working side by side with experienced practitioners. Additionally, the variability and sensitivity of bio-agents to environmental conditions further complicate the development process. The view that bio-weapons are easy to produce has been perpetuated by a narrative that lacks a comprehensive understanding of the complex challenges involved. A nuanced analysis is crucial for developing effective policies and strategies to address the threat of bio-weapons.

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