The CDC Is Unrecognizable — And It's Costing Lives

Nov 24, 2025

The discussion reveals how political interference is altering the CDC, FDA, and NIH, risking public health. They explore the chaotic shift in the CDC’s vaccine-autism messaging and internal struggles within the FDA. Rising outbreaks of measles and whooping cough highlight the dangers of misinformation and agency dysfunction. A controversial pandemic plan emphasizes personal responsibility over collective action, while funding cuts disrupt vital clinical trials. They also touch on the media's ethical dilemmas and the implications of recent public health policies.

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CDC Credibility Has Collapsed

The hosts argue the CDC has been corrupted into spreading misinformation about vaccines and autism.
They say this shift undermines trust and turns the CDC into a shell of its former self.

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CDC Staffers Feel Hijacked

CDC staffers told Kiera Butler they feel horrified and like they're on a hijacked plane.
Staff fear retaliation and worry parents will avoid vaccinating children because of the new messaging.

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Vaccine Hesitancy Sparks Outbreaks

Measles and pertussis are resurging while vaccination confidence erodes.
The hosts warn the U.S. may lose measles elimination status and newborns face renewed exposure risks.

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This episode dives into the unraveling of America's public health infrastructure as political interference reshapes the CDC, FDA, and NIH. Jonathan and Wendy walk through the CDC's new vaccine-autism messaging, the chaos and infighting inside the FDA, cuts to critical NIH trials, and Jay Bhattacharya's controversial "pandemic plan" built on personal responsibility instead of public health action. With outbreaks of measles, pertussis, and flu rising, they explore how misinformation, censorship, and agency dysfunction are putting the country at risk.

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