How selfish are we really? - Jo Brand, Matti Wilks and Steve Jones
Feb 26, 2025
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Jo Brand, a sharp-witted comedian and writer, joins psychologist Matti Wilks, who specializes in morality, to explore the depths of altruism. They tackle fascinating questions like why humans choose to help others and the biological roots of altruism. The conversation dives into how personal relationships dictate generosity, and surprising insights reveal how children perceive kindness. With humor and expert analysis, the duo discusses the intricate balance between self-interest and altruism, alongside a look at gender influences in charitable behavior.
Altruism, while seemingly counterproductive to self-preservation, can enhance genetic success through kin selection and communal survival.
Empathy significantly influences altruistic behavior, often favoring those who are similar or close, as opposed to distant individuals.
Deep dives
Understanding Altruism
Altruism is defined as an act of kindness or compassion towards others without expecting anything in return, often involving a cost to the giver. This concept can be observed in mundane actions, such as helping someone find their way or donating to charity. The discussion highlights that even simple gestures, like holding the door for someone or offering assistance to a stranger, are examples of everyday altruism. By understanding altruism through a psychological lens, it becomes apparent that humans have an inherent capacity for these compassionate acts, although they vary in complexity and expectation.
Evolutionary Perspectives
From an evolutionary standpoint, altruism presents a complex narrative that can seem counterproductive to the instinct of self-preservation. Some researchers suggest that altruism can still enhance an individual's genetic success by promoting the survival of related kin, known as kin selection. Historical cases, such as explorers refusing to harm horses during dire circumstances, demonstrate how altruistic behaviors can sometimes lead to detrimental outcomes for individuals and their teams. This interplay between evolutionary biology and altruistic actions raises important questions about when and why altruism emerges in both humans and animals.
Empathy and Altruism
Empathy plays a significant role in shaping altruism, as feelings of compassion often motivate individuals to act selflessly. Research indicates that women tend to score higher on measures of empathy and altruism compared to men, reflecting societal and biological influences. When individuals respond to the suffering of others, they may be driven by intuition rather than calculated reasoning. However, this emotion-driven impulse can lead to biases where empathy is directed more towards those who are similar or close in proximity rather than distant others.
Social Norms and Altruism
The effectiveness of altruism within a society can be influenced by social norms and public perception of helping behaviors. Cultivating a culture where altruism is regarded positively can encourage individuals to act more generously and supportively. The challenge presented is that altruism is often diminished when intrinsic motivations are replaced by external incentives, such as monetary rewards. Thus, fostering an environment that empowers altruistic actions while endorsing the intrinsic satisfaction derived from helping others could lead to a more compassionate society.
Brian Cox and Robin Ince kindly open the door for each other as they step into understanding altruism, asking why humans have evolved to help each other. Joining them to explore the human tendency to be kind is evolutionary biologist Steve Jones, psychologist Matti Wilks and comedian Jo Brand.
Starting with the animal kingdom, we probe the biological underpinnings of why organisms might act to help others at an energetic cost to themselves and where this fits alongside the theory of evolution. We explore how the development of human societies has necessitated altruistic behaviours and how these manifest in our modern lives. Matti introduces the idea of moral circles as we ask why are we more generous to some people than others. We explore how children feel about being kind to those close and far away with some surprising recent findings and finally consider what can encourage more altruistic behaviour.
Producer: Melanie Brown
Exec Producer: Alexandra Feachem
Assistant Producer: Olivia Jani
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