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Category Visionaries

Thomas Sisto, CEO & Co-Founder of XL Batteries: $20 Million Raised to Transform Grid-Scale Energy Storage

Feb 25, 2025
19:48

XL Batteries is pioneering a revolutionary approach to grid-scale energy storage, leveraging organic molecules derived from oil and gas feedstocks to create long-duration batteries that can operate for 50+ years. Founded in 2019, the company has raised $20 million to develop their non-lithium flow battery technology that aims to enable the transition to renewable energy by solving the critical challenge of intermittent power generation from solar and wind sources. In this episode of Category Visionaries, Thomas Sisto shares insights from shipping their first commercial unit and discusses their vision for transforming the energy storage landscape.

Topics Discussed: 

  • The $4 trillion market opportunity in grid-scale energy storage 
  • Technical breakthrough in organic molecule-based flow batteries 
  • Evolution from laboratory discovery to first commercial shipment 
  • Advantages over traditional lithium and vanadium flow batteries 
  • Strategic approach to building world-class technical teams Commercial product development and scaling challenges

GTM Lessons For B2B Hardware Founders: 

  1. Build an elite technical team early: Thomas emphasized the importance of bringing in experienced leaders from successful companies in adjacent spaces. He recruited the co-founder/CTO of A123 Systems (largest battery IPO of 2009) as chief commercialization officer and executives from Pfizer and Plug Power. This mix of startup scaling experience and deep technical expertise helped them avoid costly mistakes and technical debt.
  2. Start with proven architectures: Rather than inventing entirely new systems, XL Batteries focused on innovating within established frameworks. They used the proven flow battery architecture but replaced expensive vanadium/sulfuric acid with organic molecules in saltwater. Thomas explained, "We haven't invented a new mousetrap. It's an old mousetrap. The key for us is to just really drive cost out of it."
  3. Focus relentlessly on cost in utility markets: Thomas highlighted that unlike consumer products where premium pricing can work, utility products must prioritize cost and reliability above all else. "Energy and electricity is hidden... you just want your lights to work and you don't want to pay more than 15 cents per kilowatt hour." This drives every product design decision.
  4. Leverage existing industry infrastructure: By using organic molecules from oil and gas feedstocks, XL Batteries tapped into established supply chains and manufacturing capabilities. This reduced scaling risk compared to approaches requiring entirely new manufacturing processes or rare materials.
  5. Time market entry carefully: Despite having revolutionary technology, XL Batteries waited until they had a fully integrated demonstration unit before pursuing major marketing efforts. Thomas noted they're only now approaching the "tipping point" for marketing as they near commercial product availability.

 

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