Author Sathnam Sanghera discusses his book Empireworld about the impact of British imperialism. He challenges the 'good or bad' narrative of empire, explores its legacies of exploitation and racial inequality, and highlights the importance of understanding other countries. He also discusses the evolving language of race and identity and explores the idea of using the Commonwealth for truth and reconciliation regarding the empire's legacy.
Understanding the history of the British Empire is crucial in making sense of current global affairs, from political conflicts to patterns of tax avoidance and the spread of democracy.
Navigating discussions around the British Empire's impact requires a nuanced and complex understanding, moving beyond a binary view of empire as solely good or bad.
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Legacy of the British Empire
In the podcast episode, journalist and historian Sat-Nam Sangeera discusses his book 'Empire World' and explores the legacies of the British Empire. He reflects on his experiences during a trip to Barbados, where he couldn't help but think about the impact of British colonialism and the presence of the royal family in the Caribbean. Sangeera highlights the importance of understanding the history of the British Empire to make sense of current global affairs, from political conflicts to patterns of tax avoidance and the spread of democracy. He argues that it is crucial for Britain to reflect on its patchy histories on democracy, human rights, and the environment before lecturing other countries. Sangeera acknowledges the complexity of the British Empire's legacy, mentioning both positive and negative impacts, such as the spread of democracy and instability. He pushes back against the idea of a black and white view of the empire, emphasizing the need for nuanced understanding. Sangeera also discusses the role of racial science and the racialized divisions created by the empire, as well as its influence on America, citing parallels in settler colonialism and racial segregation. He concludes by proposing that the Commonwealth could serve as a platform for truth and reconciliation, providing a space to discuss and address the long-lasting effects of British imperialism.
The Controversy of Discussing Empire
Sangeera addresses the intense pushback he faced after writing his previous book, 'Empireland', which examined the British Empire's impact on Britain. He attributes this backlash to a long-standing tendency in Britain to defend empire and an inherent discomfort in discussing topics related to empire and race. Sangeera explains that these conversations often become heated due to the toxic racial debates surrounding colonialism. However, he believes it is essential to navigate these discussions and find a way to move beyond the binary view of empire as solely good or bad. Sangeera argues for a more nuanced and complex understanding of the legacies of empire, highlighting the contradictions and varying experiences across different parts of the world. He acknowledges the challenges of addressing these sensitive topics but encourages open dialogue to foster a better understanding of history.
Plants and the Legacy of British Imperialism
Sangeera delves into the profound impact of plants on the legacy of the British Empire. He highlights the role of plants such as Cinchona, rubber, and tea in shaping the world. Cinchona, a plant used for producing quinine, contributed to the colonization of Africa. Rubber became a lucrative crop, leading to the British Malaya colony and sparking a brutal conflict known as the Malayan emergency. Tea, while having various social and economic effects, also influenced the loss of American colonies and the creation of modern-day marketing. Sangeera sheds light on the connection between plants, colonization, and labor exploitation, which still resonates in parts of the world today.
Slavery, Indenture, and Racial Science
The podcast explores the distinctions between slavery and indentured servitude, shedding light on the complicated history of these systems in the British Empire. Sangeera highlights the scale of the transatlantic slave trade and the subsequent practice of indenturing one million Indians around the globe after abolition. He emphasizes that while slavery and indenture shared exploitation and violence, they were different experiences. Sangeera also discusses the presence of racial science in the 19th century, its influence on British imperialistic beliefs, and the racialized divisions it created. He argues that understanding these aspects is crucial in comprehending the legacies and lasting impact of British imperialism.
In this week's Book Club podcast my guest is Sathnam Sanghera, author of the new book Empireworld about the effect of British imperialism around the globe. He tells me why he's trying to get beyond the 'balance-sheet' view of imperial history, why we should all read W E B Dubois, and why he's not good at going on holiday.
Produced by Patrick Gibbons.
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