Endgame with Amanda Cassatt Against the Crypto Casino | Kevin Owocki
What happens when crypto stops optimizing purely for profit and starts optimizing for people, planet, and long-term coordination?
In this episode, Amanda Cassatt sits down with Gitcoin founder Kevin Owocki to discuss Ethereum’s public goods, swallowing the Green Pill, and what onchain coordination will look like in the future.
Owocki maps the cultural fault lines inside Ethereum: the libertarian and cypherpunk roots, the rise of hyper-financialized degen culture, and the parallel effort to build something different: a regenerative ecosystem that funds public goods, sustains open source, and solves coordination failures instead of reproducing them.
The two unpack what Green Pill really means and the choice it asks of builders, how Gitcoin funded $70 million in public goods and why grants and vibes aren’t enough anymore.
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Regen and Degen
02:57 The Green Pill Movement
06:13 Public Goods in Ethereum
09:10 Funding Challenges in the Ethereum Ecosystem
12:07 Comparing Ethereum to Traditional Governments
15:00 The Evolution of Public Goods Funding
17:48 Incentive Alignment and the Tragedy of the Commons
21:04 Building Proofs for Public Goods
24:11 Ethereum's Unique Approach to Public Goods
26:48 Meditations on Moloch and Coordination Failures
29:39 Exploring Moloch and Ginsberg's Influence
30:04 Addressing Coordination Failures in Ethereum
34:48 The Future of Capitalism and Its Alternatives
39:40 Balancing Different Forms of Capital
45:03 Navigating Financial Nihilism Among Youth
47:41 Success Stories in Building Parallel Institutions
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