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Sam Roggeveen — Why the US Won't Fight China for Dominance (and What it Means for Australia) [Aus. Policy Series - LIVE]

Apr 2, 2025
In this engaging discussion, Sam Roggeveen, Director of the Lowy Institute’s International Security Program, dives deep into the U.S.-China power dynamics and why America may avoid direct conflict with China. He argues for strengthening Australia’s alliance with Indonesia as a strategic priority. The conversation touches on the implications of Australia considering nuclear capabilities and the challenges of adapting military strategies against China's rising influence. Roggeveen also presents his unique 'echidna strategy' for a cost-effective defense approach.
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  • The United States may not confront China for dominance in Asia, prompting Australia to reevaluate its reliance on American security.
  • Australia should prioritize strengthening its alliance with Indonesia to ensure regional stability and counter potential threats.

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The Changing Global Landscape

The podcast highlights a significant shift in global power dynamics with the rise of China, which has surpassed the United States in economic strength, particularly in purchasing power parity. This change necessitates a reevaluation of military alliances and defence strategies in the Asia-Pacific region. The speaker emphasizes that for the first time, Australia could potentially be without the protection of a great power as the United States grapples with its own interests. This reality prompts a discussion on how Australia can enhance its own defence capabilities to maintain security in the face of these changes.

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