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Ep. 256: Max Stier on Trump Ripping Up Government

Feb 21, 2025

Max Stier, President and CEO of the Partnership for Public Service, shares his extensive experience in federal government. He discusses the complexities of presidential transitions and emphasizes why tearing down government structures is counterproductive. Stier critiques current government reform initiatives, advocating for merit-based systems to combat inefficiency. He also offers valuable advice for new graduates pursuing public service careers, emphasizing the importance of passion and collaboration. Lastly, he highlights influential reads that shaped his commitment to civil service.

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Max Stier emphasizes the importance of enhancing government efficiency by focusing on improving institutional capacity rather than dismantling existing structures.

The discussion highlights the challenges faced during presidential transitions, particularly under Trump, which affect governance and the integrity of democratic institutions.

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Max Stier's Journey in Public Service

Max Stier's early experiences in Iowa shaped his passion for public service, emerging from growing up around political figures. His education at Yale fortified this interest, allowing him to blend disciplines such as history, literature, and philosophy while engaging in political activities. After various roles across the federal government, including at the Justice Department and the Department of Housing and Urban Development, Stier founded the Partnership for Public Service to improve government efficiency. His career path underscores the significant influence that early political exposure and interdisciplinary study can have on a commitment to serving the public good.

Intro

2min

From Iowa to Impact: A Journey in Public Service

4min

Trump's Terms: Evolution and Implications

7min

Critiques of Government Reform Initiatives

28min

Guidance for Future Careers in Public Service

3min

Influential Reads and the Importance of Civil Service Awareness

3min

Max Stier is President and CEO of the Partnership for Public Service. The Partnership has been widely praised as a thought leader on federal government management issues. Max has worked previously in all three branches of the federal government. Most recently, Max worked at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, having served as the Deputy General Counsel for Litigation. In this podcast, we discuss how Presidential transitions typically work, problems with Federal government, why tearing down government will not work, and much more.

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