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Brené Brown Revisited: The Courage to Belong in a Divided World

Oct 29, 2025

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Brené Brown

In this engaging discussion, Brené Brown, a renowned researcher and bestselling author known for her work on vulnerability and courage, revisits the concept of belonging amidst today's societal divisions. She shares insights on how true belonging starts within us and explores the cultural dynamics that amplify loneliness. Brené emphasizes the transformative power of art in bridging isolation, the importance of civil discourse, and the need for strong boundaries in creative endeavors. She also outlines four essential practices for fostering genuine connection and belonging.

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Belonging Lives Inside You

Your sense of belonging is not negotiated externally but carried inside your heart.
If you look for evidence you don't belong, confirmation bias will always find it.

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Sorting Increases Loneliness

Despite ideological sorting, we are lonelier now than decades ago.
Hating the same people does not equal meaningful connection or belonging.

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Art Transforms Loneliness

Art can render sorrow beautiful and make loneliness a shared experience.
Creatives transform private despair into collective hope and recognition.

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Why Brené Revisited Belonging Now

02:20 • 3min

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Opening Personal Remarks and Reunion

05:34 • 1min

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Why Belonging Became Central Again

06:45 • 3min

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How Sorting and Algorithms Increase Loneliness

10:09 • 2min

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Loneliness as a Health Crisis

12:21 • 3min

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How Art Transforms Loneliness

15:33 • 3min

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Practical Advice for Creatives Feeling Alone

18:53 • 6min

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Becoming the Wilderness: Courage to Stand Alone

25:00 • 2min

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The One-Inch Square: Who Matters Most

26:54 • 2min

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Four Practices of True Belonging Overview

29:00 • 1min

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Practice 1: People Are Hard to Hate Close Up

30:02 • 55sec

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Practice 2: Speak Truth to Bullshit (Be Civil)

30:57 • 3min

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Practice 3: Hold Hands with Strangers

33:58 • 5min

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Practice 4: Strong Back, Soft Front, Wild Heart

39:09 • 2min

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Social Media: Communication Versus Connection

40:58 • 3min

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Boundaries for Creatives and Valuing Work

43:53 • 6min

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Saying No with Kindness and Pricing Yourself

49:53 • 7min

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Holding Paradox in Leadership and Culture

56:23 • 6min

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Top Traits of Transformational Leaders

01:01:53 • 4min

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Speed, Urgency, and Thoughtful Decisiveness

01:05:30 • 2min

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Innovation Requires Psychological Safety for Failure

01:07:15 • 2min

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Trust: BRAVING Framework for Rebuilding It

01:09:20 • 2min

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Personal Questions: Brené's Life and Boundaries

01:11:07 • 7min

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From Boundary Bully to Balanced Boundaries

01:18:05 • 2min

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Managing Intensity and Authenticity in Relationships

01:19:43 • 7min

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Diversity, Inclusion, and Building Long Tables

01:26:46 • 4min

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Sources of Hope: Hurricane Harvey and Human Solidarity

01:30:22 • 2min

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In this week's episode, we're revisiting a powerful conversation that originally aired back in 2015 — one that feels even more relevant today. Brené Brown joined me to talk about courage, connection, and what it really means to find true belonging in a divided world. Her insights on creativity, loneliness, and the power of standing alone have only become more urgent as we navigate today's culture of comparison and noise.

Since our original conversation, Brené has continued to expand this body of work through her bestselling books — including Atlas of the Heart and Dare to Lead — and her podcasts Unlocking Us and Dare to Lead. She remains one of the most trusted and transformative voices on leadership, belonging, and vulnerability in the modern era.

Whether you're hearing Brené for the first time or revisiting an old favorite, this episode is a reminder that belonging isn't something we negotiate with the world — it's something we carry within us. It's about having the courage to stand alone, create from your truth, and use your art to help others feel seen and connected.

Some highlights we explore:

Why true belonging starts within — and how creatives can hold space for both solitude and connection.
How art transforms loneliness into shared humanity and despair into hope.
The four practices of true belonging — from speaking truth to BS (with civility) to holding hands with strangers.
Why every creative must be willing to be misunderstood and stand alone in the wilderness.
How boundaries and self-worth protect your creative energy and integrity.

This conversation reminds us that the path to connection begins with courage — the courage to show up, tell the truth, and make something real. As Brené says: "Stop walking through the world looking for confirmation that you don't belong… because you will always find it."

Enjoy the revisit!

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