The Covert Narcissism Podcast Beneath the Apology: Shame, Image, and the Illusion of Empathy with Dr. Anthony Mazzella
What if that apology wasn’t about you at all?
What if the moment that looked like remorse was really a carefully constructed move to restore a fractured image?
In this powerful continuation of our series with Dr. Anthony Mazzella from The Narcissism Decoder podcast, we dive beneath the surface of “I’m sorry” to explore what’s really going on: the tangled relationship between guilt, shame, narcissism, and the illusion of empathy.
We break down a real-life example of a man spiraling in frustration, seemingly finding redemption through kindness — but is it guilt, or is it shame-fueled self-preservation?
This episode is essential for anyone trying to make sense of the mixed signals in narcissistic relationships, especially for those raising or supporting adult children who are still struggling with internalized shame from growing up in a narcissistic home.
We explore:
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The difference between authentic guilt and toxic shame
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How narcissistic defenses hijack true connection
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Why timing matters in therapy and healing
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How to recognize image repair masquerading as empathy
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Why curiosity — not judgment — is the key to growth
Whether you’ve lived with a covert narcissist, parented with one, or are watching your adult child unravel years of emotional confusion, this episode offers clarity and direction.
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