Factually! with Adam Conover

"Resistance" Isn't Enough for Trump 2.0 with Dr. Dana Fisher

Mar 5, 2025

In this engaging discussion, Dr. Dana Fisher, a sociologist and expert on social movements, addresses the current challenges of activism in the U.S. She explores why protests seem less impactful now and questions if we’re simply burnt out. Dr. Fisher emphasizes the need for community-building and real-world engagement over online activism. The conversation also touches on the rise of authoritarianism and the importance of unity in resisting it. Listeners are encouraged to transform collective anger into actionable change through grassroots efforts.

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Dana R. Fisher

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Quick takeaways

Public disillusionment and recent political challenges necessitate a renewed focus on grassroots movements for effective social change.

The importance of building solidarity across diverse communities can amplify collective actions against threats to democracy and authoritarianism.

Local activism encourages individuals to address immediate concerns, reclaim agency, and promote sustainable practices within their communities.

Deep dives

The Current Political Climate

The political landscape in America is increasingly perceived as dire, with concerns about the government's efficacy and the impact of billionaire influence over democracy. Many citizens feel disillusioned as issues like climate change, racism, and civil rights appear to regress rather than progress, fostering a sense of despair. This atmosphere of frustration has dampened the public's willingness to mobilize as they did during past civil rights movements. The need for an effective response to these challenges is urgent, as average citizens seek pathways to enact meaningful change.

Intro

2min

Navigating Social Change in a Challenging Environment

4min

Resisting Authoritarianism: A Call for Unity

18min

Activism Beyond the Screen

7min

Political Engagement and Community Bonds

9min

Governance at a Crossroads

5min

Climate Change and Public Perception

5min

Building Solidarity for Social Change

19min

Empowering Local Action for Change

3min

Last time we faced a Trump administration, people flooded the streets in protest. But this time feels different. Even as we watch our government being systematically dismantled, the response seems muted. Are we just exhausted? Or is something else at play? And more importantly—does protest still work, or is there a more effective way to protect our future from a newly entrenched autocracy? This week, Adam speaks with friend of the show Dr. Dana Fisher about what we actually need to be doing. Find Dana’s book at http://www.factuallypod.com/books and find Dana here:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dana-r-fisher/ BlueSky: @fisherdanar.bsky.social; Instagram: @ApocalypticOptimist; TikTok: @fisher_danar

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