Russel Norman left politics when he stepped down as Green Party co-leader ten years ago - but he still has plenty of skin in the game.
In this wide-ranging discussion covering democracy, neoliberalism, the political spectrum, climate change and billionaires, we explore the state of the world - and what Russel believes must happen if the planet is to survive.
The introverted kid from Brisbane, who now leads Greenpeace Aotearoa, never set out to be an activist - but at this critical moment, he’s urging more people to become agitators for change.
This is a fascinating conversation, no matter where you sit on the political spectrum.
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