In our 5th episode of The Riff, writer Byrne Hobart and investor Erik Torenberg are joined by Thomas Li, the CEO of Daloopa for a deep dive into the world of hedge funds. They discuss what venture capitalists may not know about hedge funds, what most people get wrong, crowding, and risk management. The conversation also touches on the role of the yield curve in investment strategies and the competition between everyday investors and hedge funds.

Thomas Li is the CEO of Daloopa, where they provide enterprise grade financial models and model automation to hedge funds, asset management and investment banking.

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Check out Erik's new show Request for Startups featuring a rotating cast of founders and investors sharing their requests for startups they want to exist in the world, and also their stories of navigating the idea maze in different sectors so founders don’t have to reinvent the wheel anymore. The first episode is out now - we cover better dating apps, references as a service, and WeWork for productivity

• Watch and Subscribe on Substack: https://requestforstartups.substack.com/p/receipt-based-dating-reference-checks
• Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/request-for-startups-with-erik-torenberg/id1728659822
• Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/739L1LR32QI2XyoZlRh5nv

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We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com.

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Byrne's writing: https://thediff.co

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:36) Brief overview of hedge funds

(04:54) History and landscape of hedge funds

(13:08) Top firms and their strategies in the hedge fund world

(17:22) Sponsor - SecureFrame

(18:19) Hedge funds: Overview of the macro style

(20:58) Distressed funds and risk parity

(30:23) What they don't want to tell VCs about yield curves and why

(32:18) When you're betting on a company, you're actually betting on two things - fundamental performance of the business + discount rate to discount the future cash flows of the business

(34:45) Investing in early stage companies and trading interest rate futures

(41:52) Are everyday investors competing with hedge funds in any meaningful sets?

(50:20) What is the business of a hedge fund fundamentally?

(58:52) How true is the peak pot thesis?

(1:06:57) Unique things about working at a hedge fund

(1:15:30) Wrap