Debbie Millman, host of the hugely successful podcast Design Matters, joins Conor in this episode. Debbie discusses her not-so-straightforward path to becoming one of the most talented and well-regarded designers, as well as her passion for using branding not always to make money, but to create positive change in the world. She talks about why people shouldn't be afraid to be creative, yearning to be better and her seventh book, Why Design Matters: Conversations With The World's Most Creative People. If you want to get in touch email thatswhaticallmarketing@gmail.com or find us on twitter @thats_marketing

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