The Rest Is Politics: Leading 37. Chris Hipkins, New Zealand PM: Working with Xi Jinping, fighting to stay in power, and zero covid's double-edged sword
Sep 24, 2023
New Zealand's Prime Minister Chris Hipkins discusses the effective Covid-19 response, relationships with various countries, free speech, upbringing, work-life balance in politics, and a memorable gaff during the pandemic.
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Guest Invitation
- Alistair Campbell explains how Chris Hipkins' appearance was arranged.
- It involved a mutual friend, Darren Hughes, who initially tried to get Jacinda Ardern on the podcast.
Campaign Psychology
- Chris Hipkins discusses the psychology of campaigning during different momentum swings.
- He emphasizes the importance of staying true to one's values, especially during challenging times.
COVID-19 Gaff
- Chris Hipkins recalls his prominent role as health secretary during New Zealand's Covid-19 response.
- He mentions a memorable image of himself emerging from a beach in a suit to promote Covid-19 safety measures.