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37. Chris Hipkins, New Zealand PM: Working with Xi Jinping, fighting to stay in power, and zero covid's double-edged sword

Sep 24, 2023
New Zealand's Prime Minister Chris Hipkins discusses the effective Covid-19 response, relationships with various countries, free speech, upbringing, work-life balance in politics, and a memorable gaff during the pandemic.
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ANECDOTE

Guest Invitation

  • Alistair Campbell explains how Chris Hipkins' appearance was arranged.
  • It involved a mutual friend, Darren Hughes, who initially tried to get Jacinda Ardern on the podcast.
INSIGHT

Campaign Psychology

  • Chris Hipkins discusses the psychology of campaigning during different momentum swings.
  • He emphasizes the importance of staying true to one's values, especially during challenging times.
ANECDOTE

COVID-19 Gaff

  • Chris Hipkins recalls his prominent role as health secretary during New Zealand's Covid-19 response.
  • He mentions a memorable image of himself emerging from a beach in a suit to promote Covid-19 safety measures.
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